Police are still searching for a suspect.

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    More than 4,000 children and teenagers have been shot this year, according to data published by the Gun Violence Archive (GVA). At least 6,170 children and teenagers were shot in 2022, according to GVA.

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      Honestly it’s pretty disingenuous to lump children and teenagers together, especially if talking about all the way to 17 or even 19

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          I said even if it’s up to 17 it’s misleading. A lot of those 16, 17 year old shooting victims are gang members being shot in shoot outs. Which is a fundamentally different problem from a 9 year old being shot. And lumping those things together does a disservice.

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            well first you coulda just checked yourself.

            second, why? a 16 year old shooting other 16 year olds are children killing, that is still a problem related to guns

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        Honestly it’s pretty disingenuous to lump children and teenagers together, especially if talking about all the way to 17 or even 19

        Hi, Florida Congressman Matt Gaetz.

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            Teenagers are still children. They don’t have developed brains. Also take into account that teenagers are growing up more slowly than they did in the past. It is not disingenuous to put them together in the same statistic.

            Commenter below mentions that the statistic used is Americans under the age of 18. They are not adults mentally or legally. They are children.

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              They don’t have developed brains

              24 year olds don’t have developed brains either. What’s your point?

              It is not disingenuous to put them together in the same statistic.

              Absolutely it is

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        The data referenced in that quote is linked in the article. When following the link, it specifies “Americans under the age of 18”

        Full info: The Gun Violence Archive

        Americans under the age of 18 killed or injured by gunfire since 2014:

        2014: 2,861

        2015: 3,378

        2016: 3,820

        2017: 3,982

        2018: 3,543

        2019: 3,825

        2020: 5,159

        2021: 5,705

        2022: 6,170

        2023: 4,319 [in 235 days]

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          Just like quarterly profits the peak of human society aims for a high score every single time. Numbers must go up. ALL NUMBERS must go up. Always. Capitalism is the best.

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          He doesn’t care. The “they include 19 year olds” is just the talking point he’s been taught when those figures are mentioned, because sometimes they’re described as “children”, rather than “children and teenagers”, which means they can attack the data as misleading.

          There’s no concious thought behind it, it’s just trigger and response. That’s why they’ll say the same things even when the data is correctly described.

          When they do try and come up with their own excuses, they’re usually terrible. I’ve genuinely had one argue that “17 year olds aren’t teenagers” by claiming that when the word “teenagers” was coined, it was only supposed to mean 13 and 14 year olds and we were somehow being dishonest for using the definition that absolutely everyone in the entire world works with.

          But they don’t need their arguments to make sense or their lies about keeping people safe to come true because they intend to drag the conversation out forever.

          Unfortunately for them, the kids who grew up among the school shootings will vote one day and they’ll have no issue removing the second amendment entirely.

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        The last time I saw a difference between an 18-year-old, a 17-year-old, a 16-year-old, and a child younger than that was when I was 18

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          “17 year old gang members killing each other is a different problem from 9 year olds being shot and shouldn’t be lumped together”. Crazy, right?

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            Oh I understand now, you think the 17 year olds don’t count because they’re black. Here I was thinking you were reprehensible.

            I guess you haven’t looked into how many of those 17 year old statistics took their fathers poorly secured gun (that was for “keeping his family safe” of course) and blew their brains out in the living room.

            Let’s hope the poor innocent gun didn’t get scuffed or scratched when it fell to the floor since it’s clear what was more important.

            I wonder how many of them used to be “responsible gun owners” who taught their children to “treat guns with respect”, not knowing they were teaching their kid how to load and fire the round that would kill them?

            Oh well, I’m sure it will never happen to you and I’m sure those fathers never thought it would never happen to them.

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              Oh I understand now, you think the 17 year olds don’t count because they’re black

              Lol wtf? What the shit are you talking about?

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                There’s no need to be coy – even the most deeply stupid Americans know what terms like “gang members”, “thugs” and “urban crime” are innuendo for, because deeply stupid Americans are the target demographic.

                If you want to get upset at people saying it out loud, you’re going to have to dig up Lee Atwater and throw a tantrum at his rotting, cancerous corpse.

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                  This is probably the stupidest comment I’ve ever read. Are you suggesting it’s impossible to talk about gangs without it being racist?

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    I think it’s time to change the American National Anthem to “Another One Bites the Dust”.

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        Excuse me… we don’t say foreign kids around here… we prefer the term “future veterans of america” thank you very much

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      That’s utter fucking ridiculous!

      The 12 year old should have had a gun so she could’ve shot the incoming bullet.

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        What kinda crap is this?

        By 12 they should have a katana and the training to merely cut the bullet in half.

      • What was insane about him?

        He was apparently lucid and intentional. He was just a violent racist that got whipped up by conservative media and politicians, and radicalized to kill Americans.

        Everyone can see this coming from conservative rhetoric and they are proud of it.

        The shooter will probably be posthumously honored at CPAC.

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          I thought so too, but he had been involuntarily held for mental health crisis for likely just a few days when he was 15, and he wrote a massive fucking manifesto. Stochastic terrorism is real, but I think in that case it affected someone who had screws loose.

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            Okay, so what gun laws are we changing so that “hateful racists with screws loose” can’t maximize their violence with minimal effort?

            Because if you look back through the parade of mass shooters, the overwhelming majority had both clear warning signs and legal firearms.