Denuvo strikes again!
It’s always the paying customers, who get absolutely shafted. Wouldn’t be any other way, in modern society
Pirates never had Sony install a rootkit on their computer. Paying customers did, though.
Pirate here, can confirm.
Playing the new God of War was great on Linux, though.
Same with modern streaming services, you get awful resolutions on linux without them even telling you when you are a paying customer.
But the pirates get the full quality version no issue.
This game frankly sucks anyways. I played it for 2 hours and refunded it. Awful performance and incoherent as fuck gameplay.
Performance hit might be due to Denuvo too. I think it was the Harry Potter game that was terrible with Denuvo, but the cracked version run like a breeze
Possibly though I think it is probably mostly the boneheaded decision to force RT.
What’s the fix, presumably it must sure that data somewhere, or is it an online DRM? No interest in buying the game as they fuck over the UK on pricing, it’s so expensive here, more than Australia too.
This sounds like a challenge almost. Why is this behaviour not flooding their support and legal team?
One more reason why I don’t see Proton as a replacement for official native support. Things can and will break, and they’ll say it’s not their problem because they only support Windows.
That’s fair.
From my POV, Denuvo isn’t my problem because they don’t support Linux.
So if I never buy a game with Denuvo, I guess I’m good and I’ll be one more lost customer. Oh well for me, oh well for them.
I don’t really see myself as missing anything from modern AAA gaming, so no loss, here.
That’s why Proton is in continuous development. When it’s broken it’s usually a matter of days or weeks before it’s fixed. If the dev is going to ban you for the offense of using a compatibility layer then that’s grounds for a refund (at least on Steam).
I like Proton and have nothing against it, but you are not really selling “continuous development” very well.
Proper and tested releases are often better for stability.
I don’t understand how that contradicts what I said.
Honestly, Denuvo makes me want to sail the high seas. When I browse Steam and see Denuvo, I mentally write off the game, saying “Might buy this in a couple of years if they fix this shit.” If the company fails to do so, the game becomes valid to pirate, far as I am personally concerned.
I am not paying money to be rootkitted.
The stupid part is it doesnt even work. Denuvo games are cracked just like any other. Pretty sure Hogwarts legacy was cracked day 1 as a fuck you to jk Rowling.
Hogwarts Legacy was literally the last Denuvo game to get a crack. Otherwise you just wait until the denuvo license expires, then get it.
Denuvo cracks are extremely rare though. Gone are the glory days of CPY and Empress.
Yeah I don’t remember the last time I pirated a game but Denuvo just gives me an ice and id rather not.
Sometimes i pirate games I’ve bought so I don’t have to deal with this nonsense. Like titanfall.
Honestly, I’ve been pirating games that I own on Steam for awhile now.
It’s so fucking annoying to launch a game on Steam, only to have to sit through some update that didn’t get triggered for some stupid reason.
I know it’s not steam but by god Minecraft Bedrock drives me mad. Everytime I try to play it needs to update. And if you don’t update you can’t play online…
(I know Java exists, but it doesn’t let me easily play with a switch player)
“Might buy this in a couple of years if they fix this shit.”
Why wait? Pirate today.
Because Denuvo games take a long time to crack, and only a few people can do it reliably? There are games released as far back as 2018 that still haven’t been cracked.
High profile denuvo games are cracked pretty quickly, from my experience.
Because early Denuvo cracks tend to not work correctly, and often require you to do stupid shit like set your OS’s year to 2015 or something like that just for the game to boot.
I rather just wait a year or two for either a proper crack, or for the developer to decide to remove the DRM themselves, a la Capcom. Especially it’s a single player game, cause there’s no need to worry about the player population dying down by the time a crack comes out. And you also get to reap the benefits of having bugfixes available since the game has been out for awhile.
Right? In the past we got software for free when we let companies use our data. Now they want to take our money too.
DeNOvo.
This problem is solved by not giving money to devs who use denuvo. If you gotta resort to malware to sell your game, it’s not worth playing.
How do I know which do? (Genuine question.)
As of a few months ago (IIRC the timeline) Steam shows this directly on the game’s store page. You’ve got to scroll down for it a little bit, but it’s right under where it lists features of the game, E.G. single-player, controller support, etc.
There’s even a Steam Curator you can follow who recommends against games that use Denuvo. https://store.steampowered.com/curator/26095454-Denuvo-Watch/
I literally came looking for this info. Ty for asking the questions and ty for answering them.
That was definitely a thing trying to get Monster Hunter Wilds to work when it first came out.
Steam deck is a thing now.
Whine at the developer and Valve. They will whine at Denuvo. Chances are it’s something Denuvo haven’t checked for and can fix quite easily.
Especially on a “Steam Deck Verified” game.
I actually doubt it’s an easy fix. The issue is that each version of proton looks like a different machine. So when Denuvo only allows you to boot on [x] machines in [y] days, it’s easy to get locked out of a game simply because it looks like you booted it on a bunch of different machines.
Some of the game streaming services have this same issue. Nvidia has that thing where you can boot it on Nvidia’s servers, then stream it. But the issue is that when you boot it, you don’t get the same server each time. So if you’re playing a game that is prone to crashing, you can easily eat through your [x] machines count quickly. Not because you were playing it on different machines, but because it was booted on a different server each time you launched it.
I would have thought it would be a client side patch rather than server side, but surely it’s a case of taking whatever Proton is changing out of the machine “fingerprint” when generating it on a Steam Deck. There’s plenty of other things they can use to identify a machine.
If it doesn’t exist on GOG, it doesn’t exist. Life is good.
That would certainly make me request a refund and just pirate the game.
Heads up, Steam has stopped refunding even broken games if it passes the two hour mark (even if it’s from sitting there on your system process locked).
Illegal where I live, probably why they give me warnings about that but always end up approving the refund
What’s the law there?
Any online purchase can be refunded within 7 days, no matter the reason. I don’t even need a reason other than “didn’t like it” or “actually I’d rather use the money to buy some chocolate”
There are no groups currently cracking Denuvo.
Is anything worth cracking? GTA 6 will be. But what has come out recently is worth the effort?
Yea I would think anyone who has a workaround is keeping it quiet, otherwise it’ll get fixed before then. Then it would be harder to break it for gta.
Is it because companies tend to strip denuvo from the games after some months?
I think it is mostly due to it being difficult to hack and those with the skill are well employed and don’t want to risk legal action or spend the time to crack games.
Yeah, didn’t Denuvo themselves hire a few of the former crackers?
The rumour going around, back then, was that Denuvo went under the table and paid crackers who had the ability to break their DRM to like – Stop doing that. And that this was the reason EMPRESS (actually insane woman) was the only person left who could crack it.
Of course, there is no way to prove that.
There are several individuals though. Fitgirl and Empress come to mind.
Fitgirl
That’s a repacker, not a cracker.
ahh heard
Cracker? I barely know her?
Empress has not cracked anything for a long time and Fitgirl has never cracked anything
I think Empress is too busy ranting about trans people to crack games anymore
Yeah I think Empress got caught \ found by police? Or maybe that was just them being a little internet shit whining about “betrayals” 🤷
And men in general.
Doesn’t fitgirl just repack stuff (compressing the game for smaller download sizes) rather than doing the actual cracking?
Oh I get it, fitgirl will Make It FIT! Huh.
In that case, request a refund and just forget about the game. It’s that little bit worse for the publisher who chose Denuvo.
Doubt it.
Now that it’s much harder to crack they’ll sell more. So many thiefs out there with plenty of money to burn who choose not to because they can get away with it.
Are the thieves with plenty of money to burn in the room with you, right now? Can you point them out? Where did they hurt you? Was it actually EA or Ubisoft but you’re scared to let us know? Was it Paradox’s DLC scheme, or Total War? Are they the ones who really hurt you? It’s ok. You’re in a safe space. The AI generated loot skins can’t hurt you, here.
Remember kids, complain to the publisher and developer. They are the ones paying for Denuvo and you are the ones paying for the game.
If you are paying for a game with Denuvo then you are paying for Denuvo. Don’t buy games with invasive software in them you don’t want invasive software 🤷♀️ Sure, complain to the developer and the publisher, but you give them the money to waste on Denuvo if you buy the game
Do both. Don’t buy it and tell the publisher you’ll buy it when they remove denuvo.
Should every game be forced to support your chosen platform? I don’t see Mac users acting like this.
This isn’t even a platform issue per se, windows user complain just as much about denuvo, allbeit for different reasons.
They do, but this is a compatibility problem first and foremost. And as a Mac user since the 90s, that’s glaringly obvious to me.
It sucks that DRM is the wrench in the gears of Proton. But the game doesn’t have official support.
Did you even read the article? This is a matter of limiting the number of times a licensed user can authenticate their copy of the game within a day (based on hardware/software IDs).
It has nothing to do with OS compatibility. It can be recreated on windows machines by spoofing hardware IDs or even - god forbid - changing certain driver installs too many times.
It’s to stop pirates from using one a legit activation ‘key’ to provide the game to others. Which is funny because they’ve found a way to extract the denuvo ‘key’ from a demo and spoof full game denuvo access for other games.
Imagine supporting Denuvo lmao. What a guy
I’m not supporting any particular game or constellation of software. Just noticing the entitlement in the thread, and across Lemmy.
When people act entitled to pirate something, that’s when I think things are off the rails. They act like it’s their right to obtain other peoples work.
Invasive DRM is shitty. And it’s a bummer software does not easily work on all platforms. But no one is automatically entitled to a copy of someone else’s labor.
You know who else acts entitled to copies of other people’s labor? The AI companies.
I’m allowed to read my book in the bathtub or in the seat of a plane. I’m not entitled to scan it and upload the result of this action in any form without involving the author.
^ this is common sense and gaming companies currently have so little, it’s pathetic. they’d rather see people litter the planet with 4 different PCBs and plastic of the current gen consoles than arrive at common sense.
I agree that DRM is stupid. There are plenty of examples these days where DRM went away and nothing fell apart. iTunes Music Store, GoG, region free discs.
Still clinging to DRM is regressive. And they are hypocritical, because DRM like the one this post deals with are regularly removed from the game after a period of time.
DRM doesn’t work.
People are always morally entitled to piracy.
When the state and corporate doesn’t respect your property or their contracts with you, youare obligated to engage in it as form of civil disobedience.
Media is 100% discretionary purchase… They act like it is rent 🤡
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There is a class action law suit coming together on this.
