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Gotta love how they told people to go south then bombed them there, as well as hospitals. And they can just say every target, no matter how many civilians die, was a “Hamas target” and it’s “Hamas’ responsibility to protect civilians” while they indiscriminately bomb these civilians.
Crazy that more people aren’t speaking up against this.
They told people to evacuate and then bombed the evacuation routes.
Israeli spokespersons keep saying they’re fighting Nazis, but I only see Nazis on their side of this.
Israel taking a page out of Putin’s playbook
Once Palestinians starteing evacuating North Gaza, Israel bombed the humanitarian corridor that they’d declared as safe.
Russia did the same to Ukrainians last year and EU & NATO & UN supported Ukraine. Now they support Israel.
I swear to God, I can’t name another country that takes such little criticism ever in the MSM other than Israel.
A fucking hospital ffs.
Their WW2 guilt trip game be strong.
For many it’s the sunk cost fallacy.
They’ve rhetorically, unreservedly supported Israel for half a century, and they will not be reexamining those intransigent beliefs today, thank you very much.
"The Doctor: How much blood will spill until everybody does what they’re always going to have to do from the very beginning – sit down and talk! Listen to me, listen. I just – I just want you to think. Do you know what thinking is? It’s just a fancy word for changing your mind.
Bonnie: I will not change my mind.
The Doctor: Then you will die stupid."
-Steven Moffat, excerpt from Doctor Who
The other option is supporting a “government” that is not only unwilling to talk, not only is labeled internationally as a terrorist organization, but also lists the murder of all Jews as part of their charter.
Hamas car bombed the evacuation route killing many of their own citizens.
If it was any other West Asian country doing this, the entire West would be denouncing them and taking action. But because its Israel doing it, this is fine.
Because there are consequences of you go against the grain. It’s all about money…always. Palestinians have little to no money and influence.
It’s sad that this type of comment can be and is often spun as “antisemitism”
Agreed. It’s also frustrating that the labeling of anything anti-Zionist as anti-Semitism just gives actual anti-Semites the opportunity to claim their actual anti-Semitism is anything but.
I will never fault someone for standing up for their people. In fact, one has to admire the fact that this person put their money (and reputation) where their mouth is. We strongly disagree on the matter, but antisemitism has nothing to do with it.
A question, for me, is where is the same pressure from other players? Where are the mega rich Arabs and Muslims pulling their funding because somebody didn’t put out a pro-Palestine message. Step up!
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(although we should be careful not to be tricked into thinking all militants, including those giving orders, are religious extremists - reportedly Hamas’ campaign on the 7th was ordered to take hostages and not kill civilians, and that the IDF basically implemented the Hannibal Doctrine against it’s own civilians leading to significant friendly fire casualties [even as reported by an Israeli who was held hostage and later interviewed on Israeli news]; you can see how murky the waters get in a propaganda war).
Can you share some of the reporting behind this use of ‘reportedly’. I have never seen this reported before though I am admittedly not reading everything.
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It’s difficult to tell if you believe it or not because you’ve referenced it within a larger point about how much confusion there is, but it seems like you believe it enough to repeat it. If so, what about the article makes you believe it or not?
Arabs think of palestians as white trash cousins you don’t want at your wedding…
Also, US keeping them on a short lease with arms sales
Arabs think of palestians as white trash cousins you don’t want at your wedding…
I have no idea if this is true or not but it seems like a gross generalization.
Also, US keeping them on a short lease with arms sales
Irrelevant. I’m talking about individuals not governments.
Arab peoples and states behaviors speak for themselves.
Fact that most most of the aid for Gaza came from the west, should be indication enough about how other Arabs feel about this issue…
They are fine with palestiains suffering as along as Israel keep getting rockets.
the toxic sludge of racism + Islamophobia = support and empowerment for Israel to ethnically cleanse Palestine of Palestinians.
The other, possibly larger, part of it is the fear of being labeled antisemitic. Antisemitism is a huge problem all over the world but Jews aren’t to blame for what’s going on - Zionist are.
Yep. And yet Israel is giving the rest of the world more excuses for antisemitism. Who is even winning this “war,” other than Bibi and his toadies?
No one. Jews everywhere will take a reputation hit from the public at large because Bibi pretends to speak for them.
I grew up in a Jewish neighborhood. I worked at a Jewish family business. I have lots of Jewish friends. And I’ve yet to meet a Jew who likes the guy…even the ones who support an Israeli state.
Agreed. I’m Jewish and have never supported Israel, but my parents do and even they hate him.
I think I support the idea of Israel because they’ve historically been a target of genocide but I recognize that it’s not my land being given away to make it. It’s the perpetual expansion if Israel that bothers me.
Zionists originally wanted a homeland and they got it. Now, Zionists want an empire. I’m pretty sure Palestine won’t exist after this conflict. You give a mouse a cookie…
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Zionism is just Israeli patriotism.
Zionism is by definition a nationalist ideology.
So wait, the problem is the existence of Israel?
I read there was a protest on London recently
It’s OK, they are others.
I’m so fucking mad that THIS is the reason people are saying congress needs to get it’s shit together. Fuck you(them, not YOU). We shouldn’t be sending aid to anyone over there right now. It’s too messy and everyone sucks too much.
Representatives should be working 23.5 hours a day to get this country running again FOR THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE HERE. Not so they can approve more money to assist Isreal in killing more civilians. Fucking absolutely indicative of the fact that We The People no longer have representation in the government. O KY rhe 1% get representation now, and they want revelations to come true so bad they will throw money at the middle East until “it happens”.
Fuck the government, fuck the police, and fuck all these toxic ass Christians. So tired of government sponsored domestic terrorism being normalized.
I’m not so sure, we’re pretty self-absorbed in the west. I haven’t heard anything about Kurds in Syria or Saudi Arabia and Yemen lately. There is also the Rohingya in Myanmar and the Uyghur in China, though they aren’t located in West Asia.
Have you not heard about the beheaded babies?
Israel got blank check from rest of the world, Gaza residents will be punished and aint nobody gonna do shit. If Arab states won’t do shit, what can we expect from anyone else.
Sucks to be a Gaza resident, but it is a small price to pay for jewish people to have their own country.
what beheaded babies?
Settlers made up a lie about Hamas beheading 40 babies and tricked Biden into saying he saw pictures.
It was later corrected: he didn’t see any pictures because there are no pictures.
Thanks. I do know about it, but didn’t know whether @sadreality was being sarcastic or serious. & was trying to find out.
Sarcastic
Thanks. Sorry for doubting you, There are so many kooks out here that its difficult to make out.
A fake story used as propaganda to manufacture consent for the genocide of Palestinians. Mainstream media and celebrities were repeating it blindly a week ago saying 40 beheaded babies were found
Thanks. I do know about it, but didn’t know whether @sadreality was being sarcastic or serious. & was trying to find out.
Well, Israel is bound by international law and is a (flawed) democracy. Doesn’t excuse them from wrongdoing though, but it makes things more gray than black.
The rest of the nation’s in the middle-east (or West Asia) are authoritarian nations that brutalize the population on occasion. Jordan in black September springs to mind as the Palestinians tried to overthrow the Jordanian rule and conquer it.
So, yeah, it is complicated.
Well, Israel is bound by international
The entire issue here is that they aren’t. They are openly committing war crimes in breach of international conventions and none of the self-appointed guardians of democracy in the West seem to be batting an eye.
“It’s complicated” is double speak for “if I say what I think, you people will realize how shitty my views are, and I’m unprepared to back them up with rational explinatiom because i have none”
I just pointed at a genocide perpetrated by Jordan, another west asian state. On Palestinians.
It isn’t double speak, it is backing up a direct claim against the original claim.
Can’t you read?
Israel is bound by international law
Has anyone informed Israel of this?
What Hamas did was horrible, a terrorist attack and atrocity for sure, but we’re watching an actual genocide and half of the world is cheering it on. I feel like I’m talking crazy pills. What the fuck is wrong with people and what can we do to stop this?!?
What else was Hamas supposed to do? In your opinion, what options do they have?
They should’ve peacefully marched and protested!
…. Like they did in 2018 and got brutally shot down by the dozens of thousands, with thousands of dead and more than 10 times that maimed for life with their knees destroyed, intentionally, by IDF soldiers as they laughed? When they marched peacefully towards the walls and barriers, making their concerns heard in protests and absolutely nothing got better and no one cared?
In any case, we all know everything we’ve ever achieved was done through peaceful protest. Like the civil rights movement! MLK made some speeches and the white bourgeoisie felt bad and changed all the laws.
Don’t look into how MLK was murdered and there was mass protest and revolt with plenty of violence before any changes ever happened…
Don’t you see! You can challenge your oppressors with peace and forgiveness!
Dorky ass motherfuckers who wouldn’t last a single day under the Israeli foot.
This is a bullshit excuse for violence against innocent bystanders. You can (and Israel supporters DO) apply this exact same argument to Israel: “And what exactly SHOULD they do about HAMAS, Mr. Smarty-pants, just let terrorists run pel mel, unpunished?”
I don’t have an affirmative answer; if I did I’d be happy to collect my Nobel peace prize. What I do have is the understanding that “but you just don’t understand, it’s justified when WE do it” is a giant crock of shit, and it’s the lie that every oppressor through the ages (including Israel) has told themselves.
Edit: Other countries need to step up their game. It’s plain to see what’s happening in Palestine, even with the internet and electricity blackouts imposed there, so one can only imagine how much worse it really is. The US and others need to step up and denounce this shit, tell Israel to go to the bargaining table for real or they’re off the teat for good.
I don’t have an affirmative answer;
Then shut up maybe?
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Uh oh, looks like someone knows how to write sassy remarks on the internet. I’m very impressed!
No, seriously. If you don’t have an answer then you have to defer to the people struggling on the ground. You don’t get to moralize to them when they’re fighting for their lives against genocide.
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Supporters of Israel are.
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I can go through my own comments and make you a list for starters
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Republicans and Christians have such a rock hard boner for this war; it signals the start of the end times for them, and they want out of the hell on earth they made for us here. It’s all they want. To kill everyone who doesn’t support thier ideological fantasies.
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You’re insane. You are a blight on humanity.
Projection is unbecoming.
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i’ve given up caring about it edit: i should’ve clarified myself. i do wish the best for people that are affected by this “war” (idk what to call it) but i’ve simply given up caring about who wins or what happens on any war or attack. in the end it’s people dying and that makes me sad so i simply try not to care about anything like this
The 2.5 million in Gaza sadly don’t have this privilege and can’t stop caring.
Neither can the 9 million in Israel under constant rocket fire.
The only threat the people in Israel are under right now is their own state waging war.
Most Israelis are living their normal lives still. Parties and clubs still happened over the weekend without issue. It’s been 9 days of 2.5 million Gaza-ians not having a drop of water, an ounce of food, or a minute of electricity imported.
Just thousands of rockets raining down on them. You know, perfectly normal life.
Again, their own state waging war and genocide. Tired of war? Stop waging it. But clearly those partying over the weekend aren’t.
9 million in Israel under constant rocket fire.
Sorry - please remind me… what are they doing in Palestine again?
This is a very rare honest moment to see from a stranger. Youre gonna be crucified for it, karma-speaking, as you should, but I just want to say at a minimum, I appreciate your brutal, raw honesty.
US President Joe Biden will once again emphasise Israel’s “right and duty” to defend itself.
https://biblehub.com/zechariah/12-3.htm
On that day, when all the nations of the earth are gathered against her, I will make Jerusalem an immovable rock for all the nations. All who try to move it will injure themselves.
The hospitals are packed with children. Holy shit.
Some nerd reported the post suggesting that maybe it was a Palestinian air strike. LMAO
Israel is claiming that some rockets launched by Hamas towards Israel went off course and hit the hospital.
I remember Russia staging a “Ukrainian missle attack”, but they were so bad at it that the damage was on the side of buildings facing away from Ukraine. Should be pretty easy to check that here too…
Are you referring to this, where the NYT reports the opposite happened? https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/18/world/europe/ukraine-missile-kostiantynivka-market.html
No, this was something that happened sometime last year. I tried to find one of the articles but I wasn’t able to. There was a lightly damaged building, with damage from an angle that couldn’t be hit by a weapon coming from Ukraine. There were pictures showing “American” weapon fragments. It was comically bad/obvious. It was reported by Russian State media iirc.
The rockets Hamas fires can barely punch a hole in a wall, and this explosion basically leveled the whole hospital. It’s just a ridiculous claim.
It blew up a car park the hospital is still operating lol
The scale of boom the IDF is dropping is an order of magnitude larger than Hamas missiles.
It’s insane to think that one (or even more than one) missile could destroy a hospital.
Did you see the OH bombing aftermath? Low explosives can still pack a hefty punch, and the hospital is by no means “destroyed”.
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Hamas has never shown the capacity to level a full building. This war would be much shorter if they could.
Every successful rocket strike of theirs is a simple smoking hole.
The zionist state, on the other hand, has bombed this exact hospital before, has extensively bragged about their bombing capability, and cannot stop lying.
This is less complicated than you’re making it out to be.
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Bombing a hospital doesn’t make any sense.
Are you making the claim that the zionist state does not bomb hospitals?
Is there any chance you’re a bit biased here in your reasoning?
He’s obviously biased to a fault.
You, on the other hand, are the very image of objectivity and neutrality.
Hamas not killing more than 50 people with rockets in the last 20 years but had this hospital flattening rocket all along which they only decided to use tonight, it then blew up a hospital that just happened to be the one the Israelis told to evacuate before they bombed it. Yeah?
I don’t understand a lot about this conflict but surely there can be no justification for this. Those poor people
Hasan called this yesterday. Of course he was right
In the case of the IDF,
lightning strikesbombs strike the same place twice
My heart is breaking.
…as intended.
Turns out it was the IJ, and the IDF has miles of receipts. The hosptial itself wasnt even hit.
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Latest news out of Israel is that they believe it was a Jihad Islamist group that launched the rocket from within Israel.
If I had a rocket that could kill a thousand people in a single strike, I would use it on an actual military target. Maybe that’s just me though.
If there were munitions or explosives stored at the hospital, it could cause that.
I’m not saying the IAF didn’t do this, but that rocket artillery does fail, and Hamas does use a lot of different soft targets to store supplies. So it’s possible that a failed rocket detonated a munition stockpile.
It’s also possible that this was an IAF strike, either out of pure genocidal intent, or a targeting munition depot.*
Or… Or…
We just have to wait and see for further evidence and information for proper attribution.
Regardless, a lot of innocent people just died, and a lot more are going to.
*Even if it was used to store munitions, I don’t believe that would morally justify an IAF strike, even if would make it “legitimate” (legal) military target.
Videos show no indication of a secondary detonation of that size (or at all). It’s a single large primary strike. Moreover, Hamas does not have the capability to launch a rocket with this explosive capacity. Hamas’ best rocket is the Ayyash 250, which wouldn’t even come close to this much damage. The amount of damage in this strike is much more in line with an American ATACMS or a Russian Iskander (and, in fact, seems larger) and Hamas is decades from developing that capability. It’s far more likely to be a large guided munition like a JDAM.
The Russia-Ukraine war has shown has plenty of examples of what happens when you strike an ammo depot. You’re free to compare for yourself.
You just cited three “comparable” munitions whose payloads and characteristics are widely different. Two of which are cruise missles, and conveniently, all in the news recently.
Your analysis is also based on questionable footage, which by the way, has sound (sound effects?) of artillery, or rocket artillery, not that of a cruise missile.
But sure, if that footage is authentic, that noise could be something like a JDAM, or another air dropped bomb, even if it does sound more like incoming rocket artillery IMO.
My point is just that it’s irresponsible to ascribe definite attribution with the presently available information. That’s it.
The sound of the munition used in the strike and the size of the explosion is in line with JDAMs used in prior conflicts, not that of a misfired missile: https://x.com/wyattreed13/status/1714338974544625692?s=20
Feel free to compare with the use of other JDAMs: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A\_uwzugvv-g
Hamas simply doesn’t have the ability to launch a warhead of the capacity being claimed.
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Current news seems to show it as a failed rocket launched from within Gaza.
Edit: news coming in fast. Probably best to wait until tomorrow. Might be rockets from Gaza damaged / intercepted by Israeli defense.
https://twitter.com/GeoConfirmed/status/1714390274900734049
The sound of the munition used in the strike and the size of the explosion is in line with JDAMs used in prior conflicts, not that of a misfired missile: https://x.com/wyattreed13/status/1714338974544625692?s=20
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We can only hope the rocket wasn’t intended to hit a hospital, but it doesn’t get much better in any case.
This same exact hospital was bombed by the IDF a few days ago
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And then after you had everything planned out the rocket had a malfunction or you realized you made a stupid mistake and the rocket only managed to to fly 2km in the wrong direction
This same exact hospital has been bombed by the IDF in the past. Occam’s razor exists for a reason.
I’m only saying that also if you have something else planned and have a better target in your mind things can go wrong. Also if the same hospitals was hit in the past, it does not mean that it was the same actor. It will become more clear in the following days what happened, nobody knows much so far. There is a lot of speculations and false information around.
There are videos of the strike that clearly match the sound profiles and explosion profiles of previous guided bombs. There is no indication of secondary detonation at the site.
Hamas simply does not have the capability of launching a rocket of this size (this would be equivalent to an American ATACMS or a Russian Iskander. Hamas simply does not have this capability).
