It is objectively a lot more male than Reddit or other social media. Reddit has many issues, but lack of women is not one of them.
The total lack of concern for easy on boarding of newbies. There’s a lot of big talk about taking on social media monopolies but absolutely no interest in coordinating to actually accomplish that goal.
Zionists
To be fair you kinda are on the liberal instance, so yeah you’re gonna find genocide apologists
I’ve not come across as many here, oddly.
Definitely the amount of politics, it gets brought up in far too many places where it is unnecessary, I avoid political communities and stuff like that, yet I keep getting it in communities with 0 relation.
I’m glad there aren’t many apoliticists here, I hate talking about politics with apoliticists. They always want to complain and demand that policy change to ban the things they don’t like. I’m sick of all their political activism.
Don’t think I was demanding much here, I’m trying to say that people who want to talk politics should talk in the communities meant for that, not in the non political communities and make it everyone else’s problem. But sure, I’m demanding policy change to ban something.
Okay, you go subscribe to [email protected] and unsubscribe from all the normal communities like this one where we talk about politics. I won’t go and bother you there, so you stay in that one and the other non-political communities and leave us normal people alone.
Would like to point out politics is not actually the primary content on the fediverse and based on the downvotes you’re getting, you seem to be in a minority, not the majority. Now have a good day and bye.
Everything is political. That’s like saying text and images aren’t the main content on the fediverse.
You can still keep up with politics while wanting the occasional break. If you don’t take breaks, all you’ll accomplish is burnout or straight up losing your mind. Neither of which helps anyone except for the fascists.
No, I don’t believe in that, I think everything is political. I have lots of fun with politics. Lately I’ve been watching Babylon 5 for fun and playing Subnautica Below Zero. Those are political. One’s about the politics of peace, one’s about the politics of capitalism and environmentalism. If I thought My hobbies weren’t political, I’d be far less aware of the interconnectedness of the world around Me. You need to know that everything’s connected. Everything has an impact. Everything matters. I don’t ever forget that, I don’t ever act without thinking of the consequences. I don’t go to the shops and buy some mincemeat without thinking of the cows that died to make it. I think of the cows, and so I don’t buy the mince. I don’t forget about politics. It’s in everything beautiful around Me. It’s in nature, it’s in love, it’s in identity. I’m goddessgender. That’s a gender defined by politics, defined by My relationship with others, just like the genders of man and woman are. I’m gay, and I love politically. When I caress My partner’s head, I take extra delight in how I’m committing an act of defiance against the patriarchy. That’s what recharges My batteries. I don’t agree with living the kind of lifestyle where you can forget that what you’re doing is always political.
You’re right that everything is political, but you don’t need to analyze the details 24/7. Sometimes it’s OK to just be too tired to think right and want to watch some mindless cat video. Also you might be able to recharge thinking about politics, but for most people it’s very draining, especially nowadays. Taking time for self care is the only way most people are able to engage without burning out or going insane, which once again, helps no one.
I don’t believe that. I think most people have a fun time and recharge their batteries watching a political movie like Star Wars or Jurassic Park or K-pop Demon Hunters. Don’t you?
To understand why there’s so much politics, it’s worth taking a step back. Lots of people in Lemmy understand that politics is simply how political goods are distributed.
What are political goods? Anything that people value: material resources, labor, ideas, attention, significance, etc…
So, if attention and significance are political goods, can you come up with a single thing that is not a political good and therefore isn’t political?
“Everything is politics” is an “um ackshually.” It’s technically true but you know damn well they’re talking about partisan politics or ideological politics.
You’re running apologia for people who can’t go on a thread about cake without posting a Trump joke or a Communist slogan. Mainstream social media proportionally does not have nearly as many of these people.
That may be true, but the context is… “politics” is kinda the only show in town right now.
I literally came home from work an hour ago, and told my partner we should think about turning on the deep freezer in the garage and stocking it up, because I just heard that fuel deliveries to farmers in the region have been put on hold.
Sure, something as mundane as what we will eat for dinner shouldn’t be “political”, but thanks to the yanks it really is.
Yeah I understand here, there’s a lot of knock on effects from political decisions that eventually cause stuff like this. I was more focused on people coming into comment sections and spouting political ideology and partisan politics rather than stuff like what you’ve said here.
I just wish it wasn’t all American politics. Like American politics is just shoved into evert random niche community even if its not even remotely relevant
Concern trolling about the fediverse or lemmy.
Group think: I rarely comment here because of that…
Are you afraid of the downvotes? (Like not AFRAID afraid, but like reluctant because of.
I dont want to get downvoted to Hell, but like, I dont agree with every opinion and my opinion is equally as valid as anybody elses, and i’d argue that it’s more important when it is counter to the echo chamber. But also, I’m not some hard right or hard left weirdo trying to incite anybody.
I say dont fear the downvotes – contribute your thoughts for the sake of discourse.
I’m afraid of the harassment and being banned.
All it takes is a little dogpiling and usually the mod piles on too and bans you.
lemmy doesnt’ really do DMs yet, but if it did I can bet I’d be getting TONS of nasty DMs from weirdos who take internet comments personally.
Relative to Reddit, probably the number of users. More users means more posts, more comments, more expertise on various areas, and more niche communities that become viable.
Somewhere down the list:
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Extremely determined negativity. There are a lot of…I don’t know how to describe it. People who actively try to take the absolute, most utterly-pessimistic read on anything possible, to the point of having to make crazy assumptions to keep some kind of negative perspective on the thing. I don’t know if it’s people suffering from depression — which I understand can produce that effect — or doomerism or what, but it’s exasperating. I haven’t run into that sort of phenomenon, certainly not to anything like that degree, on other social media environments that I’ve used.
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The low-effort “capitalism bad” venting comments. I’m not really into far-left views, but that’s not what irks me. I’ve seen people on here who you can at least talk to about left-wing positions. Like, some random user who is interested in, I don’t know, adopting universal basic income and wants to talk about different proposals. But about 99% of the comments I see that contain the word “capitalism” don’t amount to that. They’re just venting. They aren’t constructive. They don’t reference any material. They aren’t proposing any improvement or ideas or anything. All they want to do is to vent. I mean, it’s like someone wanting to complain about their ex or how their sports team lost or something like that. And not only that, but a substantial percentage of those comments are complaining about something that has little to do with capitalism. Instead, it’s virtually anything to do with the political or economic world that they don’t like relative to some sort of idealized paradigm that they hold. You could use that “everything I don’t like is woke” meme that the right uses, swap “woke” and “capitalism”, and I swear, it’d apply to a lot of the comments. And I get that, yeah, one function of talking to people is to vent, and so you’d expect that occasionally when people talk to each other, sometimes they’re gonna vent. That’s human nature. But holy cow, as low-effort venting goes, the “capitalism bad” comments show up as a high proportion here.
Occasionally I do talk about things, write larger comments about communal ownership. Like…okay, I know that on at least a couple of occasions, I’ve talked about the fact you’ve had communal ownership work at small scale, like families, say, or that there have been smaller organizations that have practiced communal ownership of property, and that maybe it’d be interesting to try working up in scale from smaller organizations to try and identify where any issues might crop up. And I have never had anyone actually respond with discussion when I do write something like that. No engagement. Like, it’s not as if people have some raging unmet desire to talk about any of that. They just want to complain.
I don’t even see people who are writing “capitalism bad” comments engage in discussion with each other. Like, this isn’t Marx and a bunch of activists in a London cafe throwing around ideas with each other. It’s just one-off complaints, leaf comments in the thread.
I totally agree especially with the “everything I don’t like is capitalism” low quality comments. I’m pretty leftist myself and I love quality discussion about how to make the world a better, juster and fairer place, but lemmy is chock full of “capitalism bad” Doomerism. Tons of “the world is shit” and “you’re an evil neoliberal” for trying to make things better instead of just curling in ball of despair and gloom.
Black pill leftism, I guess
I both agree with you and also kind of unironically believe that everything I dont like is capitalism, haha
I agree with the politics part. I AM leftist but sometimes need an escape from politics because everything is just so bad all the time.
But it’s not even overwhelming politics (though I can understand people being tired of politics, as a separate concern). I’m pretty sure that @[email protected] or @[email protected] or a few other users I’ve run into could probably carry on a constructive discussion about left-wing politics. I occasionally see, on [email protected], good-faith, well-meaning left-wing users who are actually trying to go talk about left-wing issues on lemmygrad.ml or lemmy.ml and are off trying to have a serious conversation. Usually auth-left-versus-non-auth-left, but that’s just what gets submitted to MeanwhileOnGrad, and I imagine that there is probably other conversation elsewhere. It’s just that the “capitalism bad” comments that I’m talking about aren’t from those users and don’t fall into that category. They’re just the largest source of low-effort comment stuff that I see.
Meanwhileongrad is some of the lowest quality slop on here, nowhere near ‘good faith’ or ‘well meaning’
In my experience tankies are very closed minded and ironically against collective action; given how much effort they put to avoid building coalition and elections.
They also like to assume that they are driving change when its not clear where they are outside of the internet.
thank you for providing an example of what I’m talking about
Not everyone is privileged enough to be as apathetic to the election results.
It’s not depression. It’s identity politics they believe in and that necessary leads to absurd beliefs.
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Few users. You would notice a very big difference if there were more as you see the number of posts and comments.
Everyone complains about it being empty and not many want to do anything about it. I’m not sure if this is even because of the user number, because I’ve been on forums with just a few users that were very active. It often seems like too many people here are waiting for a large influx of users so that others can do the posting. Also people try waaaay too hard to copy Reddit 1:1. They have this one very specific community with certain content and try to copy it here. If there was a subreddit for a 1998 version of an obscure computer game, they want this very same community to exist here. Instead of discussing said game in a more general community.
My least favorite part is the toxic blue maga types, just painful to engage with in general and they’re always trying to make conversarions about who you voted for.
Yup. They are the ones who led us to where we are now. Blue MAGA/neolibs are basically saying “we don’t have any good economic platforms to make ordinary Americans have a better life, we care more about enriching our billionaire donors, but at least we’re not bigoted unlike Trump.”
The worst bit is how smug and condescending they are about it, thinking they’re the adults in the room when they’re more like the pigeon shitting on the chessboard and strutting around like they’ve won.
Tankies with incoherent ideology, “AI is bad, except if I self host a FOSS version that’s just as bad for the environment as the corpo one, then it’s good actually”
The damage to train the AI is already done. Running it locally on your own hardware and not supporting the mega data centers is better than using it online with all the surveillance and, well, using the data centers, no?
I thought the issue was how much energy it takes to run, not how much it takes to train.
And if the problem is how much it takes to run, a data center will likely be better because they have an optimized environment for it and economies of scale, running it locally will likely be less efficient and take more energy.
I’ll admit my understanding is not deep, but this is how I understand it. Please correct me kindly where I’m wrong.
To get the speed of processing a prompt, it always will depend on the hardware running it to be super simplified. Whether that is run in data centers that serves thousand of people at the same time and you can get as near instant result, or you can run on just a measly consumer hardware that will take longer to process your prompt and get your result.
Data centers take a lot of power to run, so it will disrupt the power grid if it’s not able to cope with it, and increase your power bill.
It takes a lot of water to keep cool, and from what I understand produce water that needs to be treated again to make it safe for consumption. Multi billion dollar corporations are well known for following environmental and safety standards.
It needs a lot of space to build and destroy environments or take away zoning. All those AC will produce a lot of noise pollution
Contrast with running your local machine. Say take a 5090, running with some kind of high end CPU. All those are still running in the confines of your own home. It can not reach the heights of consumption for the infrastructure to support using AI online by the big corporations.
If you’re using a model that a big corpo trained, they are more than likely using the big power hungry data centers. That’s power already spent so going forward I think it’s best that IF you want to use AI, better run it locally that’s on less power hungry “infra”.
My understanding is relatively deep, so let me explain.
Don’t you think that if everyone used their own hardware for it, it would use at least as much energy? There is nothing inherent about data centers that make them consume more energy. Processing is processing and it needs some amount of power to run a transistor, which does not majorly change, unless you use very old hardware without certain technological advances, which is much more likely with hardware at home!
In addition, what you’re forgetting as well is that not everyone has even close to the required hardware to run these models. They require a certain amount of RAM, and if you don’t have that, you’re out of luck because it is so slow to run without enough RAM as to be useless, and most people do not have that amount necessary.
So, if everyone switched to running their AI locally, there’d be a lot more graphics cards and other computer parts bought, which guess what, need resources to be produced, resulting in potentially other kinds of environmental damage, along the same way as new data centers, but obviously some kind of different damage.
And then the data centers use their hardware all the time, while if you run your model at home, your hardware is only used occasionally and otherwise just sits there, so you need a lot more hardware in general because of all the unused capacity everywhere.
It’s the same principle as other environmental relief efforts, if everyone needs to buy their own car and drive it, that is much worse than just everyone using public transportation. Once you make something communally used, it requires less resources per person, even though for example a train is much more expensive than a single car. But same as you’re not serving a single traveller per train, a single data center does not serve one person. So theoretically, data centers are the better environmental choice.
What the real problem is, is not these data centers, data centers in general are good. The problem is unnecessary data centers, same as an individual buying unnecessary hardware for themselves. If you use AI, you don’t save any energy by running it yourself. The only argument for running it yourself is the increased privacy and not supporting these big corporations that do actually build unnecessary data centers, because AI should not be used for so many things that it is used for. So running it yourself is probably still better, but only if you already have the hardware anyway, but not because of reduced resources, but other reasons.
Both use a lot of energy, but operation accounts for the majority not training.
Running a (relatively) large model on your own PC’s GPU is energy-intensive compared to typical household electronics, but not compared to driving a car. People don’t usually object to someone playing a AAA game at 2K240, which burns energy just as fast as running inference on the same GPU.
A typical prompt and response uses maybe a quarter to half a Watt-hour. That’s like using an LED light bulb for a few minutes; it’s the scale that makes these things problematic.
And how many prompts per minute can be sent?
To a datacenter, tens or hundreds of thousands, which is my point about scale. One person using an LLM isn’t wasting any more power than they would be gaming on a PC, but a lot more people are using LLMs at any given time than are gaming.
It is objectively a lot more male than Reddit or other social media.
Reddit circa 2010 was very male, nerdy, and often misogynistic. As it gained popularity, the community became more diverse. As it got more traction, these issues abated somewhat. Once it hit critical mass and became totally mainstream, the audience was diverse enough to make most people forget how it used to be. I miss when Reddit was at the “sweet spot” of being pretty diverse, yet not corporatized to shit.
Lemmy/Fediverse is still in its “early Reddit” stage now. It shows great potential but its basic premise and design probably prevents absolute mainstream adoption. Which is probably a good thing, but I would like to get closer to the sweet spot.
Not enough artists posting their weird shit. Analogue Nowhere rules but i need more
My beef is that too many people are grinding Karma by posting the same crap to as many communities as possible, even though there’s no Karma system, but they aren’t there to discuss anything. So my feed is just all these OPs with no comments on them. Like you want me to read an article, or god forbid a 45 minute YouTube video, but you’re not gonna start the conversation? Or reply to the people who do reply to you? Too many people looking for an audience; not enough people looking for conversation.
Pretty much just that.
It’s not karma farming there in many cases, it’s just trying to support the Fediverse.
I block most posters that post more than once a day. Some people have 3 month old accounts with 4k posts. No thanks.
Lemmy? the politics.
the fediverse? I know I’ve said this like a billion times to the same five people who come on here, but federated platforms still ape the format of big social media platforms, and inherit many of their pitfalls. I want long-term discussion and human connection, not an endless waterfall of content that quickly gets swept away.
Lemmy doesn’t have this problem, but mastodon needs algorithms. Otherwise, discovery is more difficult and you must be around at the same time people of interest are either there or being boosted. People leave thinking it’s boring.
