• Randelung@lemmy.world
    352·
    2 days ago

    It’s always baffling how people can define something as unacceptable. Says who? You? Who are you to just make that decision so unilaterally?

    You can have your opinion, but it’s just that.

        • jol@discuss.tchncs.de
          31·
          2 days ago

          That’s how it always goes. It’s not that I’m offended. Is that it is offensive, objectively. It’s silly.

          • Randelung@lemmy.world
            1·
            2 days ago

            Yes, that’s what I’m challenging. Who do people think they are to think their subjective opinion is objective truth?

            It usually goes hand in hand with not justifying themselves because “everyone agrees it’s unacceptable”.

            • jol@discuss.tchncs.de
              1·
              2 days ago

              Sorry I edited my comment to make it clear I agree it’s silly. Nothing is objectively offensive.

  • Hawk@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
    422·
    2 days ago

    What’s more infuriating is that they immediately gave in and removed it without any discussion

    • AlmightyTritan@beehaw.org
      2·
      2 days ago

      Ehhh better to be safe that have a discussion on religion and persecution in the issues board. Then it doesnt linger as an open ticket.

      I feel like discussion about something like this is better suited for like a forum or a dedicated discussion channel. They discuss in a followup on the issue thread that they think even one offended person is too many, and they want to be as neutral as possible, which I think is commendable.

      I think even if its a troll, its better to err on the side of “what if it is a real person, and they are offended.” Obviously, this needs to be taken within reason, like intolerance is not a valid reason etc etc.

    • BlueMagma@sh.itjust.works
      1·
      1 day ago

      I’m no fan of Microsoft but I get it… In the current political climate nobody wants to take the risks of being the subject of a backlash involving Judaism. The cost of keeping it was way greater than to remove it.

      I act the same every time I meet a lunatic claiming whatever I’m doing is “offending” them: I politely apologise and go on with my day without a fuss in order to be left alone.

  • 0laura@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
    2523·
    3 days ago

    Christmas is no longer a holiday that honors the Christian god, it’s a holiday that honors the god of capitalism, money.

    • Tiefling IRL@lemmy.blahaj.zone
      657·
      3 days ago

      Cool, so it’s still worth eschewing /s

      I would like to note though that xmas is a very sore time of year for a lot of people (mostly queer, but others too) who do not have a good relationship with their family

    • Feathercrown@lemmy.worldEnglish
      6·
      2 days ago

      I just use it to have a merry time with my family. Corporations try to co-opt everything; Christmas is no different. Is Pride about honoring greed and capitalism just because companies make everything rainbow? No, and neither is Christmas even though they try their best with that too. The only difference is buying gifts, but Christmas is about more than that, and homemade gifts are always an option.

    • M137@lemmy.world
      2·
      2 days ago

      We’ve stopped with presents in my family, except for the kids. And they don’t get showered in them, a few things they really want, preferably cheap. Everyone else just wants nice food and family coziness.

  • josefo@leminal.space
    853·
    2 days ago

    What religious symbol? Saint Nicholas had nothing to do with the fat guy dressed in red that coca cola made up. The hat is fine goddammit

    • Ansis100@lemmy.world
      20·
      2 days ago

      Love the fact that this spawned new issues complaining about the debugger icon promoting violence against insects.

      • timestatic@feddit.org
        1·
        2 days ago

        What, the gear or the snowflake? I mean I know they are trolling but how do they make a connection to insects with that? That insects die in winter from cold temperatures?

        • Ansis100@lemmy.world
          4·
          2 days ago

          I meant the debugger button, not the settings button. In the issue it showed up as an bug with a line going through it, as if saying “no insects allowed”.

    • BearOfaTime@lemm.ee
      611·
      3 days ago

      Wait, did I read that correctly and they replaced the hat with a snowflake?? Hahahaha

      And yes, people often forget that generally offense is taken. When it’s intentionally given, it’s pretty clear.

    • LePoisson@lemmy.world
      371·
      2 days ago

      Jesus Christ what is wrong with people… Microsoft giving in to a clear troll, surprised they didn’t just lock and ignore that shit and move on.

      • BangersAndMash@lemmy.world
        28·
        2 days ago

        Jesus Christ is not my Lord and saviour. I demand you delete this post immediately and apologise. This is as insulting to me as pineapple on a pizza

        • Feathercrown@lemmy.worldEnglish
          4·
          2 days ago

          Pineapples are an affront to my deity since they are neither pine nor apples. Please delete your account immediately

    • MajorHavoc@programming.dev
      11·
      2 days ago

      Nice. Honestly, pretty well corralled, I would say.

      Incidentally, I’m amused that one of the more popular responses includes the classic phrase

      “Why can’t we all just get along”

      Which I tend to notice after having had it explained well to me once by someone with more empathy than my own.

      I won’t belabor it, but they pointed out to me that being tempted to say “Why can’t we all just get along” is usually a sign that we haven’t actually listened effectively.

      So now when I hear or read “Why can’t we all just get along”, I see that [X] and hear the buzz from “Family Feud”, and hear one of the Family Feud host kindly say “No points. Let’s try again.”

      • Feathercrown@lemmy.worldEnglish
        3·
        2 days ago

        Yeah, that’s basically saying “Can’t we just ignore the issue?”, which is easy if you’re the one who the issue isn’t affecting.

    • nialv7@lemmy.world
      64·
      2 days ago

      not supporting the complainer but it is kinda scary how much control western culture has over tech…

      there are so many holidays over the world. why christmas but not, say, Songkran or Chinese New Year?

      • marcos@lemmy.world
        182·
        2 days ago

        Because the authors celebrate Christmas, but not Songkran or the Chinese New Year.

  • PureTryOut@lemmy.kde.social
    613·
    3 days ago

    Christmas is religion yes, but Santa doesn’t really have anything to do with religion other than being on Christmas right?

    • BearOfaTime@lemm.ee
      421·
      3 days ago

      Yea, Santa is the more secular icon. There are even Christians that take issue with the Santa character (which is a combination of “Pagan” and Christian mythos). I put Pagan in quotes, as that’s a Christian term for certain non-Christian beliefs.

    • Riskable@programming.devEnglish
      278·
      3 days ago

      Santa is a stand-in for Jesus… for children. They’re both magical beings that can perform miracles and have similar methods: Both Santa and Jesus have naughty lists and forms of punishment that come later; much later (both are equivalent lengths of time to a child though 🤣). Both bring “gifts”. Both have traditional appearances. Both have followers that wear silly hats and strange clothes. But most importantly…

      Both are imaginary.

      If you believe in Santa as an adult you’re ridiculed. If you believe in Jesus as an adult you’re just labeled, “Christian”. Yet the fact that nearly every child eventually finds out Santa isn’t real is quite disturbing to a lot of Christians. After all, if they could stop believing in Santa–who is so similar to Jesus in every way–then they could stop believing in Jesus.

      • Semi-Hemi-Lemmygod@lemmy.worldEnglish
        271·
        3 days ago

        You have to start off believing the little lies like the Hogfather before you can believe in the big lies like justice

      • Feathercrown@lemmy.worldEnglish
        2·
        2 days ago

        After all, if they could stop believing in Santa–who is so similar to Jesus in every way–then they could stop believing in Jesus.

        This is a laughably bad faith interpretation of the issue. Please, please leave this r/atheism exaggerated strawman rhetoric out of this website. I’m pretty sure most people on Lemmy are already atheist anyways.

      • P4ulin_Kbana@lemmy.eco.br
        3·
        2 days ago

        You might not believe about what the Bible says about Jesus, but historically, there was at some point a person named Jesus. Whether or not he was like the Bible describes is another story. /lh

        • Riskable@programming.devEnglish
          3·
          2 days ago

          Historically, there were probably tens of thousands of people named, “Jesus” around that time. There were also loads and LOADS of people crucified by the Romans. If you were to make up a story and try to make it believable wouldn’t you pick a likely starting point?

        • Feathercrown@lemmy.worldEnglish
          3·
          2 days ago

          They popularized it, but didn’t truly invent the classic depiction. Related fun fact, Santa used to commonly be green, and he looks pretty cool that way too!

      • ChicoSuave@lemmy.world
        141·
        3 days ago

        “Based on” and what people associate with now are vastly different. Most people don’t even know if Saint Nick is based on a real person.

    • TeamAssimilation@infosec.pub
      112·
      3 days ago

      Besides both being fairy tales, I would say it’s even anti religious, since religious Christmas clashes with it, yet he doesn’t bring gifts to baby Jesus. He brings commercial toys to all the other children.

        • Feathercrown@lemmy.worldEnglish
          1·
          2 days ago

          Now I’m curious, you know those gift spots where you can drop them off at like grocery stores and stuff to give to families in need? I wonder if the majority of those are labelled as from Santa, or from the parents? It’d be interesting to do a little survey.

          • Nougat@fedia.io
            1·
            2 days ago

            I would think that in that kind of “unstructured” gift donation that parents/guardians would be able to come in and pick appropriate gifts for their kids, along with some wrapping paper, then wrap and tag them themselves.

            • Feathercrown@lemmy.worldEnglish
              1·
              2 days ago

              Right, that’s probably what they do, but I’m wondering how they tag it after they select one. Apologies for the confusion

  • RedditWanderer@lemmy.world
    352·
    3 days ago

    This is nothing new, people expect religion not to be part of the “professional” environment. Dunno if VS code applies.

    At the office (big corp) they don’t call it the “Christmas Party”, it’s “the holiday party”. They put lights and stuff up but no more Christmas trees/stars etc… not everyone celebrates christmas so that’s fine by me. If Microsoft wants to put a little santa hat on their product that’s fine by me too. If I was using some service based in Mexico and they put a little hat on a product for cinco de mayo i wouldn’t care. Christmas has other implications so it might be different, dunno

    • RoquetteQueen@sh.itjust.works
      61·
      2 days ago

      Personally, I’d rather we started celebrating everyone’s religious holidays instead of tiptoeing around Christmas. More parties and we get to learn about different cultures.

    • mvilain@fedia.io
      93·
      3 days ago

      Back in the mid-80s, when I got an email from HR about the Christmas Party at the local office, I sent a reply to the district HR manager complaining that not everyone in the company celebrated Christmas. Later that day, another email came out announcing the Holiday Party. So glad I had a hand in educating HR.

      • cfi@lemmy.world
        5·
        2 days ago

        Company’s used email to that extent in the 80s? I get that tech jobs, unis, and research groups used it, but there was a company using it widely enough that HR used it?

  • yessikg@lemmy.blahaj.zone
    139·
    2 days ago

    It’s true that Christians have killed more people and commited more genocides, and are obsessed with putting their religion in everything… I think I’m on the side of this guy tbh

    • Senal@programming.devEnglish
      5·
      2 days ago

      As an organisation they have historically been and continue to be, truly shitty.

      But what are you using for sources here ?

      • yessikg@lemmy.blahaj.zone
        21·
        2 days ago

        About Christians in general? History books. About Christians inserting religion into everything? Gestures vaguely at the USA

  • ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca
    52·
    2 days ago

    I don’t think an actual Jew would equate a religious symbol with a swastika

    But I do agree that religious imagery should never be in public

    • TheAlbatross@lemmy.blahaj.zone
      4·
      2 days ago

      I don’t think Santa = swastika but it is super tiresome when Halloween ends and suddenly there’s Christmas shit everywhere. I know it’s more a factor of capitalism than Christianity, but it even infects the meager Hanukkah end caps we get. There’s frequently products being sold that are clearly just Christmas goods painted blue and white (argh) paraded around as Hanukkah goods. Fuckin blue and white pine tree tchotchkes? C’mon what the fuck is that? Hell, one year I saw “chocolate Maccabes” which were literally just chocolate Santa candies in a different foil.

      It’s all expected, it happens every year (though the holiday seems to take up more of the calendar each year), but damn is it tiresome. And don’t get me started on the music!