Why does it feel that the evil sides globally are winning. Even evil people are winning. Why?

    • UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml
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      I guarantee you that a jury of good people would throw a good person in prison if they tried to do the good things that need to be done.

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      Evil is willing to lie, cheat, steal, and kill to win. As long as good keeps fighting with one hand tied behind its back, evil will keep gaining ground.

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        It’s less that good has one hand tied behind its back, and more that good is fighting with a sword while evil brought an attack helicopter

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          Well, I think it’s more that we’ve spent decades building up cultural narratives of good that emphasize heroes who win through proselytizing, converting, and redeeming villains rather than just fucking stomping them. “If I do a bad thing for the right reason, I’m just as bad”, etc. In media, it works out because cosmic justice steps up to do what the hero won’t if the villain refuses to relent. In reality, it means that you get tut-tutted and told that the most you can do to stop ecocide and mass murder is peacefully protesting in such a way as not to even upset or inconvenience anyone, and it’ll all come right if you’re in the right. You might as well just go yell into a closet for all the good it’ll do, ofc.

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    Because it’s evolutionarily ingrained across life that individuals with a higher quality and quantity of offspring eventually dominate populations. And people who think more of others and less of themselves are usually not very good at that.

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      How comes that multiple times in history, societies reached a sufficient consensus (including part of the rich elite) to build democracies, write down rights and enforce their protection? And why would it not happen again?
      Maybe human societies are too complex to be reduced to evolutionary interpretations.

  • gon [he]@lemm.ee
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    I saw on Mastodon someone say something kinda like this: good people don’t feel the need to dominate others.

    Evil isn’t “winning” as much as it is “on top.” If you look around, talk to your neighbours and such, you’ll see that good and reasonable people are everywhere; good is the overwhelming majority.

    That being said, positions of power are chased and coveted by those obsessed with power, and those aren’t good people. Good people need to take charge, but it’s — in a way — against their nature to do so.

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      good is the overwhelming majority.

      Let the overwhelming centrist majority in 1930’s Germany tell you otherwise. People who peacefully ignore evil, even if it’s preserve their own safety, are not good at heart. People just don’t want trouble or disturbance, that’s why people are naturally kind from day to day. But ignoring the piles of bodies while saying “no politics at the dinner table” is literally how the holocaust happened - the majority failed to act.

      1930’s Germany at least had the excuse of limited information/education, all they had was radio from which only Hitler’s voice was present. 100 years later with the worlds knowledge at our fingertips, ignorance to politics is a choice. Might I say an evil one, all things considered.

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        That’s not a very generous interpretation of people… Though I can’t exactly contradict you.

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          I’ve been lied to, gaslit, and blamed by my self-proclaimed “centrist” family my whole life, been called alarmist my whole life when i’ve been pointing at these very same things coming from a mile away. There are tons of others that did the same, at least alt-right MAGA freaks give you the time of day to argue. Centrists though? They’re the first to say they “dont really care much about politics” yet hold their heads high with masturbatory egotism and confidently proclaim “both sides are wrong, I disagree with extremists of any kind.” They’re betting their childrens lives and future on their own malicious ignorance, like that joke with the priest who denies life saving medication because “Don’t worry, God will take care of me,” but replace God with the Markets and you have the modern day peasant that’ll rat you out to soldiers for “heresy” and have you hung, disembowled, or burned at the stake. A person of self-interest is not a person of reason.

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            “Centrist” is often a word for unscrupulous fence-sitter… It’s a shame you’ve experienced that. I despise self-proclaimed centrists as much as the next guy.

            Do you think they are the majority, though? Maybe it’s my echo-chambers, but that doesn’t feel like it’s the case. I’m not American, mind you.

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              Pretty much my entire family fit under this category, plus at least 75% of the people i’ve met in my entire life, including schoolmates and work colleagues. Of the 25% that are barely conscious, 80% of them are (somehow and unfortunately) MAGA while 20% have moved into a tiny home or cabin somewhere to grow their own food. The MAGA crowd are at least looking around going “wtf, workers need to seize the means of production” meanwhile the centrist liberals are the ones going “things would’ve been better with Hillary or Kamala.”

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                MAGA, those voting for a privatizing fascist cutting taxes for the rich working with the richest people in the world to further the goals of the owner-class, are looking around going “wtf, workers need to seize the means of production?” Are you sure?

                I can’t tell if you’re joking…

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                  Yeah, those MAGA. The ones you typically see on youtube videos or twitter aren’t your average MAGA supporter, if you actually talk to one and ask them what they want, they start going off on things that even the most far-left Star Trek commie eutopianist could agree with, only to right at the end blame “the libtards!” or “DEI” or “immigrants” etc. They’re uneducated, they’re seeing things aren’t good and rightfully so, but they’re tricked into scapegoating before coming to the right conclusions.

                  Centrists? They say “You shouldn’t pay attention to these things.”

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                I was with you until that last statement, I haven’t met a single centrist that supported (voted for) Hillary or Kamala

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                  I haven’t met a single centrist that supported (voted for) Hillary or Kamala let alone attended a protest or demonstration.

        • EldritchFeminity@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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          I must confess that over the past few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro’s great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen’s Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to ‘order’ than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice […]

          -MLK Jr. in his Letter from a Birmingham Jail

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      I saw on Mastodon someone say something kinda like this: good people don’t feel the need to dominate others.

      I worry this is just rationalizing ones passivity as just an inherent part of ones assumed “goodness.”

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      The major problem—one of the major problems, for there are several—one of the many major problems with governing people is that of whom you get to do it; or rather of who manages to get people to let them do it to them. To summarize: it is a well-known fact that those people who must want to rule people are, ipso facto, those least suited to do it. To summarize the summary: anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job.

      Douglas Adams, The Restaurant at the End of the Universe (The Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy, #2)

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        I’ve heard this before, but I had no idea it came from the Hitchhiker’s Guide… Cool :D

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    People have it tough and I think they have gotten full of hate and greed. Evil people feed on hate and greed.

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    Have you ever cheated at a game, cut corners on work or purposefully did something unfair to get better from it yourself?

    Yeah it’s much easier to win without any pesky ethics or a strong moral compass.

    Good folks have been struggling uphill since the Ancient Greeks as long as there are folks trying to win with a different rule book.

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    Because you’re reading too much news and the intention of majority of them is not to make you informed but scared and angry. The vast majority of thing you’re scared about never end up happening.

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      This is exactly what I was going to say. The news economy, and the algorithm economy, both depend on grabbing attention.

      If you make a news article saying everything’s a kind of okay right now, nobody’s going to read it and look at your ads or click on anything.

      If you say oh my God the municipal water boards totally f***** you won’t believe what they just did, people are going to click to see what the hell happened. And then you say everything’s mostly okay, but the commissioner wore a weird tie to the meeting…

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    I think when people feel like things are going downward (quality of life, economy, local security, international security, ecological crisis etc.), tend to regress towards a conservative reflex. They want to protect what they have, by extension, they don’t want things to change out of fear of losing what they have, or they attribute the loss of what they had to unrelated change (I lost my job because of immigration).
    I think it requires good quality education and information to go past this conservative reflex and understand that accepting some constrains (regulations, taxes) may make society better for everyone.
    It also means that manipulating education and information can prevent that and encourage people to take the natural conservative slope. I think “evil” people have found a powerful tool to do that with the mass adoption of social media that they can buy and manipulate.

    I see two big solutions, either falling so low that humanism bounces back out of terror of what happened like after WW2. Or managing to implement systems that will prevent nefarious manipulation of information and instead promote humanism.

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    Because they’re evil. Rather, they don’t place the same constraints on themselves that a good person places on themselves.

  • ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.net
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    In some ways, evil is getting the upper hand at the moment, mostly brought on by moderates failing to address basic and fundamental problems forming in society due to being corporate captured.

    However, we have a few options at our disposal:

    1. Joining and organizing within your local community to create connections with others is incredibly powerful, will make the coming months much more bearable, and lay the ground work for effective resistance.
    2. We can still effect things drastically with a general strike. This massively impacts their income streams, and can bring the country to its knees if done on a large enough scale.
    3. Join the IWW and attempt to unionize your workplace, so that the general strike is even more effective.

    If we put in the work, we can resist this and we can win. Don’t become paralyzed with doubt and fear, march on and push as much you can. Together we’re strong, separated we are weak. So join up with allies while we still can easily!

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        They’re active branches in most cities, but they can be formed anywhere, even rural areas. If there’s a local union that’ll take you in and isn’t corporate captured (teamsters being an example of corporate captured, IMO), then sure, that can work.

        But the IWW is the only union that can unionize any industry, is global in scope, and is grassroots with a revolutionary spirit.

  • PonyOfWar@pawb.social
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    Evil is not held back by scruples or moral boundaries. Evil people will do whatever they need to to succeed. That includes manipulating people, something which today’s technology facilitates. Add to that the fact that for many people in developed countries, life is slowly getting worse instead of improving over the last few years. The frustration over that can easily be turned into hate against minorities, foreigners etc.

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    The common version of the phrase…

    “The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing,”

    The actual version of the phrase…

    “When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one, an unpitied sacrifice in a contemptible struggle.”

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    Simple material effect.

    People are shaped by the interrest of the social and material class they are part of. And the evil people are always the one in power and have the money, so they act in the interest of their class and do things that help themselves.

    Fucking Marx wrote about this quite a while ago, now his predictions just manifest more visibly, but the cultural and material forces have always been at play. Now we just reached a breaking point as a planet and population, so the underlying systems start to break too and the people on top do everything to stay in power, including ditching reality altogether.

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    Because it is. In many ways this is the West getting what was coming to it, but in any case you have rising evil and collaborationist “good” that’s too weak-willed or out of touch to stop it. Then you have the real good bickering among itself and too far up its ass to stop any of it.