Former President Donald Trump’s supporters say they hold him as a source of true information over their family, friends, and religious leaders, according to a new CBS News/YouGov poll out on Sunday.

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    They’re not actually in a lot of pain. Their struggles with poverty and drugs aren’t fundamentally different than those of the left.

    What they actually are is secretly hateful and bigoted, and those beliefs are deeply rooted cultural beliefs for them. Trump just made it socially acceptable for them to be openly hateful like they’ve wanted to be for so long, and gave them the promises of fulfilling their white nationalist dreams, so they jumped all over his dick.

    It’s not actually that complicated. I had the misfortune of growing up around their ilk, and have rolled with them for two years because of the lockdowns, so I know the score.

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      You have a rather simplistic view of this. That might be true for what you saw, but please don’t project this to all MAGAts out there. The Left’s insistence of always turning EVERY goddamn thing into a race issue only makes matters worse and completely misses a whole ton of underlying causes that we as a society should be looking at. If the Left could keep themselves from getting race-baited for even 10 minutes, we might be able to accomplish something one of these days.

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        Nah, it’s mainly a race issue. Do not confuse your 1 semester course on modern history in college with my 40 years of suffering under the heel of vile racists both Black and white. The MAGA movement is mostly made up of racist whites who think like this and dumbasses who sympathize with them thinking they’re the exception simply because the MAGA cultists choose to tolerate them to better enable them to manipulate others.

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          You’re the problem. You’re just the type that helps radicalize others.

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            The only one being problematic and immature here is you, friend. My life experience might be inconvenient for you but it trumps any of that carefully crafted nonsense intended to convince people to sympathize with Trump supporters you conjured up (or wrote with Chat GPT, I don’t know).

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        At some point the allies decided to just fight fascism with force because the time to soul-search the Germans’ support for the Nazis just would have been a waste and delay the unavoidable.

        There’s not any one seriously questioning today whether the world should have waited a bit longer to see if they could figure out just why the Nazis were doing what they’re doing…on the contrary, the consensus is that if the world had acted sooner, a lot of tragedy could have been avoided.

        Americans have the chance now to stop these new Nazis - there’s no point in understanding evil.

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          You’re conflating two different questions into one. ‘Is there a time to punch a Nazi,’ and ‘If we study Nazis, can we figure out how to stop people from turning into Nazis that subsequently require punching.’ I’m personally of the opinion that the answer to both is yes. There is absolutely a point in understanding evil because, as we are having so comprehensively demonstrated, Nazis are not a one-time problem. Letting things get to the stage where punching is required has consequences.

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            In theory you’re right of course, but in this particular instance (MAGA) of Nazis, I think further studies would yield no interesting results. Now is the time to fight them (not necessarily yet with violence though). By that I mean that people need to get over the non-nazi candidate being lame and old but just vote for him instead of not voting. If that happens, the problem will be solved without a hint of violence. As long as they don’t start it, of course.

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          Same with the confederacy, tbh. Biggest mistake was to treat them with kid gloves afterward.

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        “Race-baited”?

        Seems like someone doesn’t want to acknowledge how deeply that segment of the population is embedded in “otherism” of all kinds.

        Racism is endemic, and for you to call pointing out this very obvious fact “race-baiting” belies a serious lack of awareness on your part.