I gave up on a study course after five years of hell and now I’m back at my parents’ house and must make a big decision on what career to pursue and find a job asap. But I just can’t decide, I can’t picture myself in 5/10 years from now and can’t even imagine what type of job I’d love, bc everything seems out fo reach and impossible, just like it felt when I was 20.
I’m from Italy, and I made my previous choice based on job perspectives here, now I’d like some perspective from abroad…
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business and economics This is a course in English, I also speak French and in an ideal world I would have studied foreign languages (but in reality, I would have found no job, here at least, or nothing promising). Studying economics in English would sort of fulfill that, I’d study other languages and strive to become an export manager with time. Other than that I could combine it, in THe future, with studies in cultural heritage, which would be my first choice if only I could live off of that. And find related jobs as I go.
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computer science. Never interested me that much, I had a basic programming course which wasn’t that bad, I think I’d be able to do that… But I don’t know if I’d really want that. I’ve thought about it bc I’m interested in data journalism, and I could combine it with data visualization, design, writing… But that’s more like an interest, I don’t think I’d like the actual careers I’d have access too… I don’t even have that much knowledge on what possible jobs would be like.
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management engineering Again export or project manager. I’d prefer economics, but bc of my age this might give me slightly better chances of finding a job asap?
Of course the careers I mentioned require years of work and I’m willing to do that, the problem is I feel very confused, I’m afraid of wasting time bc of my age, maybe studying and not finding a job and also how can one know if a career is the right one for you? You first have to get there…
Any type of advice would be of great help, thank you in advance
Can you speak italian, french, and english fluently and if so how common is that around you? If you can speak several languages fluently and its not a common thing then you may want to look at law.
Dont commit to a course of study unless you are following your passion, or have a realistic plan to monetise the skills you get out of it.
Even if university is cheap/free in your region, the opportunity cost is steep. You will spend the next 3-5 years on subsistence wages, and come out the other end with very few practical skills beyond those of your specific area of study.
As cliché as it may sound, take a year off and bum around the world doing casual/seasonal labour while you figure out where you actually want to end up, because no-one else can define your future.
Live it and love it, no matter where you find yourself; now and in the future.
Good luck.
Thank you ❤️
Just to put some context here: 15 yr old me would be embarrassed and horrified by what I’ve become but (almost) 50 yr old me is a happy and content man. Life is weird…
I was kind of lost in my late 20s and went to a career counselor. We did a bunch of exercises and I did a bunch of reading. After a few weeks with her help I narrowed it down to about 4-5 careers I was interested in. We then looked at job markets and education requirements and I picked a direction to go.
It’s been about 10 years and it was a great decision.
Get a degree in accounting. The last person to ever get the axe when jobs start getting cut are the accountants. It will be a boring job but the thing is, boring is good! Boring means your needs are met and you aren’t stressed out. Boredom is a first world problem. An easy, boring job that pays well is what I would tell my 27 y/o self to go for if I could. I’ve given my (now adult) kids this same advice FWIW.
Accounting is basically a dead career at this point of AI curve for junior accountants.
Can AI actually replace accountants? It is a field with hard rules that requires creative problem solving and I don’t think AI can reliably do both of those at the same time. Any proof that AI is taking away accounting jobs?
Can confirm. Boring is the way. Accounting, economics, etc.
For me, I worked my ass off to be a person that works on movies and TV etc. Got lucky, held some dream positions, and even got to make my own thing.
However, if I could do it all again, I’d stay in the boring office job I had and share twice as much time with my family and friends.
Instead, I worked 80 hour weeks, made some decent money in respected roles, and then Covid took everyone and everything close to me. Money and respect mean nothing if you can’t share it with those you love.
Boring is the way. Don’t worry about liking your job in 10-20 years, worry about liking your life.
That last sentence hits hard.
Something you don’t really consider when you’re young and everything feels like forever is that A LOT can happen in 10, 20 years.
If you wouldn’t really want to do programming, don’t. That only gets worse for a lot of people. It’s something I enjoy and have done well at, and it can be tempting given the number of jobs and growth, and good pay. However the people I know who are most miserable are those who weren’t especially interested in the work but the jobs and the money.
I’m sure you could do programming, and you’d deal with it a few years, but it’s a specialty that not everyone will enjoy, and you may just get more and more miserable.
I Personally believe not enough people start from the other side, the subject matter interest. Pretty much every field needs programming or technical skills, and data science is exploding across many fields. Definitely an option to consider is whatever subject you like, but the technical skills to bring the automation or the data analysis. That going to be huge!
Museum guide?
The first option sounds to be fitting your interest the most, so why not go with that?
As it reads like another study course, the question is if the reasons for giving up your original course still persist. If so, deal with that first, I would suggest.
“Discover What You Are Best At” by Linda Gail.
I was about the same age as you are now when I found this book. It led me to a career I’d never even sonsidered before.
Thank you!
What career was that?
The book summarizes your skills and points to jobs that use them.
A Product Demonstrator and a Paramedic both need dexterity, good people skills and imagination.
The skills are the same, the jobs are completely different.
I’m talking about your specific career that you took as a result of that book, though: what was that?
Also, paramedics need exponentially way more skills than product demonstrators! But yes, they both need at least those skills.
I signed an NDA.
A million things go into choosing a career. What’s good about this book is that it gives you a range of options based on the particular skills you already have.
A good paramedic would probably get bored doing the same routine every day, but they’d still be good at the producrt demonstrator job.
Wow, that must be an incredibly tight NDA if you can’t even say one word describing your role. Welp, never mind, then. Thanks for the book recommendation; I’ll check it out!
When I met people in real life who are secretive about what they do/did, I automatically assume one of two things - Secret agent, or the person who rubs the nipples of actresses before shooting a scene so that they poke through their t-shirts.
The first thing to consider is: can you afford the luxury of picking something you like?
In an ideal world we get the job we want, we have fun doing it, nice colleagues, etc… This may not be true for you. You can pick a job you don’t particularly like, if the job market seems good, use that to just afford living and go from there. That makes it somewhat easy, because you’re no longer picking something that’s “nice” you’re optimizing working conditions: working times, union coverage, how long the education takes, vs. how much it pays. Maybe you find that working in a sewage plant or being a plumber isn’t nice, but way better than doing a public facing customer service job. Or working your ass off in academia, 60 hours a week, with the reward of a wet handshake, a mention in a paper that’s cited 5 times that your supervisor uses to boost their standing but not yours and a two year timer on job stability.
I can’t picture myself in 5/10 years from now and can’t even imagine what type of job I’d love, bc everything seems out fo reach and impossible, just like it felt when I was 20.
I’m afraid of wasting time bc of my age
Besides the job, what do you even want? And that question is hard and some people don’t find the answer for decades, so don’t stress over it. Sometimes it takes a decade of life experience to come to an “obvious” conclusion. The trick is that the ten years aren’t “wasted”, they are *necessary" to give you the context to understand what you want.
We are generally limited in the time we have, but it’s only really urgent in three aspects: if you are terminally ill, you are becoming old or disabled and physically can’t do certain things and family planning. If you know you want kids, make a plan for 10 years into the future. That’s important because the requirements around kids are completely different than without. I don’t think traveling with toddlers is smart, kids are expensive, they will eat your time and attention. If you want to get something bigger done, consider doing it before having kids, or your kids making you choose them instead of your “dream”. Which can be bad, because you never ever want to think that you could have done X if only you didn’t have kids. That’s a regret that poisons a lot of things.
Anyway, YOU still have plenty of time. At least 10 years, probably 20, until you even have to start worrying about anything.
Do you care for art, people, technology, animals? Sitting on a couch? Sports? Cooking? Baking? Culture? Anything?
If nothing particular jumps at you, it’s totally fine to browse e.g. movies, technology, memes, comics, music, literature, or to travel until you find something that strikes you. Like, do you even know what’s out there? How are you supposed to pick something you like if you haven’t seen anything?
Society throws a lot of things at you that you are supposed to care about and supposed to do, but you have to actually explore and decide if those things are actually for you, or if you just believe or do them because everyone you know does them or talks about them.
I recommend writing a diary or taking notes on this. Revisiting your old thoughts can be difficult and it’s easier to organize your thoughts on paper.
Personally, I finished a technical education, worked in a few projects and even finished a few things I didn’t like to test out what I didn’t like and want to avoid. E.g. I worked in a city I didn’t live in, commuted 3 hours one way every other weekend, lived in conditions I didn’t like… It wasn’t nice in the moment, but now I know what to avoid.
Final note: statistics say you are not alone. The opposite in fact, lots of young people go through the same issues. So maybe that’s comforting, idk.
Thank you.
Unfortunately I don’t know what I want in any aspect of my life. Right now the only thing I need is to make some sort of decision, but I really don’t know how to do that
So far, I found that many people underestimate the soft skills they bring. For many (not all) jobs the actual knowledge of the field you need to fulfill the job can be learned quite fast. But they need people that are good organizers or good communicators or good critics, or people that dive in and check every detail or people good in seeing the bigger picture. I sometimes think its more important to find a job fitting to your softskills than to your degree. In an ideal Job it would be both of course.
For example. My father switched fields from social worker to systems administrator. Most would say what a big shift, but he just loves to help people - no matter if its their daily life or their computers he can help with. But IT had better job opportunities. He is very happy.
Tell us more about your skills and maybe we have more specific ideas for you.
You’re right.
Well I’ve always been great with languages, intuitive with technology (but I’d prefer to avoid working with it, or living with it in general), I’m detail oriented and good at getting organized (when I know what I want haha). I like helping people, I’m understanding and I love interacting with others, I’m curious and I like variety even though I’m a bit introverted and reserved. But being of service is a good way for me to bridge that gap, if it makes sense.
I like researching and collecting stuff, mostly when it comes to things I like, be it music or films or books.
I’d prefer to avoid working with it, or living with it in general
Then you won’t like programming. Definitely scratch that off, especially given the carnage going on in /r/cscareerquestions—it’s not looking good.
especially given the carnage going on in /r/cscareerquestions—it’s not looking good.
What do you mean? if you have the time, of course
The industry is severely oversaturated and may present a hard time for you career-wise to find work.
Random suggestion: International genealogy and emigration support. I have Italian ancestry and my siblings and I are working on dual citizenship to have an option to get out of the US. It cost a fortune for the researcher/lawyer. I bet they need bilingual help.
I wonder if something like project management might be a good fit for you. Or perhaps some sort of social services.
In any case, I think most people work any number of different jobs before settling on a career path, and sometimes trying things out is the way we find what we’d like to do. And when thinking about a long-term direction it’s less important to “love” the work than to choose sometimes that will be sustainably intellectually engaging for you and that you feel is worth doing, and worth doing well.
What was that study course and what made it hell? Might want to a avoid a similar situation in the future.
What exactly seems out of reach and impossible? If you had something specific in mind but gave it up, it might be a good way forward to consider something similar with less (or more manageable) obstacles.
Have you considered job perspectives abroad? It might be even harder to get a good picture of the situation abroad, but there could be chances there.
What are your passions or things you like? Languages, obviously, and that is great because that gives you a much greater area to look for jobs (if you want to maybe go abroad).
I’m 48. You have ages. Do it now or you’ll be me remembering when I was you.
Jobs are just a means to live life. If you can make money doing something you love, great. But if you can’t, use the money from work to pursue your hobbies and interests.
When I was 23 I was in the same position as OP is now. I decided to have a child with my wife and do some practical work and also learn some basic working skills and ethics while doing that. I started out in a factory, but hated it so much that I decided to go trucking, where it would just be me and my truck ( and my audiobooks).
I enjoyed that for a long while, but eventually I wanted to feel useful. I wanted to make something, to accomplish something, to be proud of myself. So I went back to school. Now I’m 35, finishing my bachelor in IT and also teaching a basic programming course at that same school.
Life is not just life, you can make mistakes and change your mind a few times. It’s not a big deal unless you make it a big deal. There’s a theory where it takes eleven years to master a skill, so between you 18th birthday and your 81st, you can master 7 skills. That means basically you could have 7 careers. There’s a xkcd about it (saw it around here somewhere), but I can’t find it
Yeah, 11 years makes sense. I’ve also heard 10,000 hours. Congrats on your change in life. You have a great attitude.
I can’t picture myself in 5/10 years from now and can’t even imagine what type of job I’d love, bc everything seems out fo reach and impossible
You’re approaching this with 100% the wrong view and attitude. You sound like you’re trying to define your life by what job you have. Your job should just be the way you fund your life.
Find out what you want out of life. Do you want a family? Do you want to travel? Make art? Build community? Learn what hobbies you enjoy, how you want to spend your days, who you like to surround yourself with. Then figure out what you need financially to make that happen to the best of your ability. (Nothing will ever be perfect, and you shouldn’t expect that.) Then find a job that can fund the lifestyle you want.
Who cares what the job is? That’s not what life is about. That’s just how you pay for your life. Most people don’t love their job. Hell, most people don’t even like their job. It’s just how we get food and shelter.
Yes you’re right but what I’m talking about refers to the job side alone. I’m going to opt for one of these three things, and I don’t know how to choose
Research what working in those fields is like and choose the one that has the highest pay for the least time commitment. Whichever requires you to actually be at work the least is your best bet.