It’s fair to call the Cape Tarkhankut site the linchpin of Russian air and naval defenses across the Black Sea. Which is why the Ukrainian armed forces blew it up.
I’d agree, yet I keep seeing people argue the counteroffensive is going poorly for Ukraine because they’re not making serious gains in recapturing territory. People forget that there are many ways to “win” a war: one of which is the enemy simply giving up and withdrawing. Chipping away at the enemy’s ability or will to continue fighting is a path to victory.
You don’t need to steamroll the enemy if you make it militarily, politically, or economically untenable for them to hold a position.
Attrition is a powerful factor often forgotten in war.
Easiest way to beat your enemies? Surround them with pointy sticks and slowly poke and starve them until they give up. Bonus points if you hurl dead animals into their village.
Obviously that’s a bit crude but I wanted to highlight the fact that this tactic is as old as time. If they widdle Russia down far enough they might be able to make the sweeping charge everyone wanted to see.
Anyone saying Ukraine isn’t moving quickly enough is the kind of person who will ‘go out in a blaze of glory’ on the battlefield by charging the enemy like a fucking idiot.
After they get shot in front of everyone, they just serve as an example of what ‘not’ to do to win a war.
I remember reading recently that Western powers assessed why the counter offensive wasn’t working as well as it could, and they determined it was troop placement I believe. I’m willing to bet they provided advice here to get them back on track.
Well, there are tons of minefields and dug in defenders too. I would 100% not want to be attacking that. Supposedly the Russians put two mines on top of each other so even mine resistant vehicles aren’t safe.
Although I recently read that the Ukrainians only need to push about 10 or 15 KM more. They won’t be at the Azov Sea but their artillery will cover the area. That means no private trucks will want to supply Crimea from that direction. So they are close.
The Ukrainians are literally fighting a war for their homes. The Russians are not. This is Vietnam all over again. There’s no way for Russia to “win” unless they just leave and falsely claim victory.
The US was extremely effective in Vietnam, I think it was something like 50k US KIA/MIA and 800k north Vietnam. If the US wanted to just steamroll the entire country they could’ve done it with relative ease. US lost because they didn’t want to steamroll, they wanted the southern Vietnam to take the ground after the US wiped the enemy out and it just didn’t work. US lost not because they couldn’t win, but because they chose a strategy that didn’t let them win. The US lost to their own arrogance.
Russia isn’t even effective, Ukraine is doing a much better job at killing than Russia. And Russia actually wanted to steamroll Ukraine, and failed critically. Russia will most likely lose because they actually can’t win. Russia will lose to their own incompetence.
Yeah for as boneheadedly stupid as Russia has demonstrated themselves to be throughout this engagement, last years thunder runs were never going to be as successful this year as they were last year. Last years deep penetrating attacks were fun for watching the lines on the map move, but ultimately lacked grand operational value. They were high strategic value, to be sure, as they boosted morale, but the factors of asymmetric warfare are shifting. Russia will continue to have more materiel but aide has been balancing that, meanwhile Ukraine is receiving higher quality equipment and better trained operatives. I think the two big changes are Russia is learning lessons from last year and being more defensive this year, and similarly, Ukraine has been forced to learn their allies are much more willing to provide military aide for field testing than they are to provide the strategic goods Ukraine needs to take care of their populace. The result is Ukraine has much more offensive capabilities but is more interested in bolstering defenses to enter winter when the strategic value of glass increases.
Both sides are much less interested in knock out blows now that they’ve penetrated the others defenses and realized they don’t have the capabilities to execute those. The war has slowed down as both sides try to make sustainable holdable advances as well as bleed the other side faster than their own side bleeds to death. The question is, does Russia have more blood to bleed that Ukraine can ever draw, or is Ukraine bleeding faster than they can sustain long enough to bleed Russia out. I’m no expert, but my observation is that it seems like Russia is overly confident in how much blood they have. Sure the Wagner rebellion fizzled out and Preghozhin is presumed dead, but everyone saw it. The Russian populace is starting to get uncomfortable with the numbers of rapists and murders receiving pardons to go rape and murder Ukrainians before returning home to continue their vile ways. The Russian populace experienced something like 1 year of freedom following the fall of the Soviet Union before the current fascist movement took power and has over 1000 years of learned helplessness, but Putin is seemingly pushing every single button and pulling every single lever that could result in his people finally saying “enough is enough”
They expected Ukrainians to use their men like cannon fodder to break through russian defenses.
It’s fucking stupid, I know, but most Western officials are just espousing talking points to please their constituents. None of them should really be taken all that seriously.
I’d say that counter offensive is going fairly well.
It seems like they’ve had the patience to do things very deliberately.
I’d agree, yet I keep seeing people argue the counteroffensive is going poorly for Ukraine because they’re not making serious gains in recapturing territory. People forget that there are many ways to “win” a war: one of which is the enemy simply giving up and withdrawing. Chipping away at the enemy’s ability or will to continue fighting is a path to victory.
You don’t need to steamroll the enemy if you make it militarily, politically, or economically untenable for them to hold a position.
Attrition is a powerful factor often forgotten in war.
Easiest way to beat your enemies? Surround them with pointy sticks and slowly poke and starve them until they give up. Bonus points if you hurl dead animals into their village.
Obviously that’s a bit crude but I wanted to highlight the fact that this tactic is as old as time. If they widdle Russia down far enough they might be able to make the sweeping charge everyone wanted to see.
Whittle
Thanks. I was struggling with that one a lot 🤣
Trebuchets for Ukraine!
Just mount the animal heads onto missiles.
Much more effective.
Lemmy armchair 5 star general recently completes Sun Tzu’s Art of War and thinks things are being forgotten about military tactics.
I’m actually from Kbin, so uhhh yeah.
Also I’m pretty sure most people learned about this in high school and just forgot because history is boring to most people except nerds like myself.
Anyone saying Ukraine isn’t moving quickly enough is the kind of person who will ‘go out in a blaze of glory’ on the battlefield by charging the enemy like a fucking idiot.
After they get shot in front of everyone, they just serve as an example of what ‘not’ to do to win a war.
I remember reading recently that Western powers assessed why the counter offensive wasn’t working as well as it could, and they determined it was troop placement I believe. I’m willing to bet they provided advice here to get them back on track.
Well, there are tons of minefields and dug in defenders too. I would 100% not want to be attacking that. Supposedly the Russians put two mines on top of each other so even mine resistant vehicles aren’t safe.
Although I recently read that the Ukrainians only need to push about 10 or 15 KM more. They won’t be at the Azov Sea but their artillery will cover the area. That means no private trucks will want to supply Crimea from that direction. So they are close.
The Ukrainians are literally fighting a war for their homes. The Russians are not. This is Vietnam all over again. There’s no way for Russia to “win” unless they just leave and falsely claim victory.
It really isn’t like Vietnam.
The US was extremely effective in Vietnam, I think it was something like 50k US KIA/MIA and 800k north Vietnam. If the US wanted to just steamroll the entire country they could’ve done it with relative ease. US lost because they didn’t want to steamroll, they wanted the southern Vietnam to take the ground after the US wiped the enemy out and it just didn’t work. US lost not because they couldn’t win, but because they chose a strategy that didn’t let them win. The US lost to their own arrogance.
Russia isn’t even effective, Ukraine is doing a much better job at killing than Russia. And Russia actually wanted to steamroll Ukraine, and failed critically. Russia will most likely lose because they actually can’t win. Russia will lose to their own incompetence.
Well yeah, I mean it’s like Vietnam mentally.
Yeah for as boneheadedly stupid as Russia has demonstrated themselves to be throughout this engagement, last years thunder runs were never going to be as successful this year as they were last year. Last years deep penetrating attacks were fun for watching the lines on the map move, but ultimately lacked grand operational value. They were high strategic value, to be sure, as they boosted morale, but the factors of asymmetric warfare are shifting. Russia will continue to have more materiel but aide has been balancing that, meanwhile Ukraine is receiving higher quality equipment and better trained operatives. I think the two big changes are Russia is learning lessons from last year and being more defensive this year, and similarly, Ukraine has been forced to learn their allies are much more willing to provide military aide for field testing than they are to provide the strategic goods Ukraine needs to take care of their populace. The result is Ukraine has much more offensive capabilities but is more interested in bolstering defenses to enter winter when the strategic value of glass increases.
Both sides are much less interested in knock out blows now that they’ve penetrated the others defenses and realized they don’t have the capabilities to execute those. The war has slowed down as both sides try to make sustainable holdable advances as well as bleed the other side faster than their own side bleeds to death. The question is, does Russia have more blood to bleed that Ukraine can ever draw, or is Ukraine bleeding faster than they can sustain long enough to bleed Russia out. I’m no expert, but my observation is that it seems like Russia is overly confident in how much blood they have. Sure the Wagner rebellion fizzled out and Preghozhin is presumed dead, but everyone saw it. The Russian populace is starting to get uncomfortable with the numbers of rapists and murders receiving pardons to go rape and murder Ukrainians before returning home to continue their vile ways. The Russian populace experienced something like 1 year of freedom following the fall of the Soviet Union before the current fascist movement took power and has over 1000 years of learned helplessness, but Putin is seemingly pushing every single button and pulling every single lever that could result in his people finally saying “enough is enough”
Well said.
They expected Ukrainians to use their men like cannon fodder to break through russian defenses.
It’s fucking stupid, I know, but most Western officials are just espousing talking points to please their constituents. None of them should really be taken all that seriously.