I am noticing a rise in Holocaust denial with the rising anti-Zionism coming out of the Israel-Palestine conflict. Many of these YouTubers, tiktokers, and podcasters point to the writings of David Irving as proof. I know he is a holocaust denier and an idiot, but I would like to read it so I could point out the exact flaws in Irving’s “evidence” and stop getting the comment “You haven’t even read it!”. I also don’t want to send a penny to this author, but also don’t want to break the law in getting access to it.

How would you go about this situation?

  • voracitude@lemmy.world
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    11 days ago

    Ugh, of course those people would point to any source that supports their current claim, without vetting the source itself. They’ll even tell you that of course they don’t support antisemitism, while spouting that antisemitic Irving shit all day, and that’s okay because they pick and choose only what they agree with out of the rhetoric. As though they couldn’t find sources that support their point without the concomitant antisemitism.

    First and foremost, then, I’d go about this by not denying the genocide in Gaza and not saying stuff such as “I bet you love Palestine” like it’s a pejorative, spacecadet.

    My second point would be to recognise that there is no moral or ethical reason not to pirate Irving’s works. If you were able to find it at a library, it would be there because someone paid a publisher for the copy and likely some kind of library license. Some of that goes to Irving. There is no way to deny him profit and acquire his work legally. So, pirate it. Fuck that guy.

    • spacecadet@lemm.eeOP
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      11 days ago

      For some reason I don’t like Nazis, second most popular book in Gaza is Mein Kampf

      • voracitude@lemmy.world
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        11 days ago

        This is about the shittiest argument you could make. Good luck in your search, maybe you’ll find some self-awareness along the way.

      • Schmoo@slrpnk.net
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        10 days ago

        Take this quiz and see if you can tell the difference between Nazism and Zionism. I bet you can’t.

      • Keeponstalin@lemmy.world
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        10 days ago

        I know you are a Zionist from our previous chats, but I absolutely support going through any of these books with a critical lens. Do your best to try to find inaccuracies or prove what they say wrong, don’t forget to look into the sources they reference throughout the books.

        Use Anna’s Archive to find them all for free, some I have already found full editions available online