• Opinionhaver@feddit.uk
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    0
    ·
    edit-2
    27 days ago

    “Why is there something rather than nothing?” is a valid question - and the idea that something created it isn’t entirely unthinkable. The point is that you can’t prove or disprove it. Not believing in God is just as much a foundational belief as believing in one. Most of what you think is built on these core beliefs - the kind that, if proven wrong, would effectively collapse your entire worldview.

      • Opinionhaver@feddit.uk
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        0
        ·
        27 days ago

        Personally, I consider it synonymous with “creator,” but even if someone believes in a biblical God, that’s beside the point. While the idea of a biblical God is an entirely unconvincing concept to me, I still give it - or something like it - a greater-than-zero chance of actually existing. I can’t prove otherwise.

        Another example of a belief like that would be belief in the physical world around you. You could be dreaming - or in a simulation.

        • JackGreenEarth@lemm.ee
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          0
          ·
          27 days ago

          So can I clarify that when you’re saying

          Some people take the existence of god as a brute fact

          That you mean

          Some people assume that universe was created by something

          ?

          • Opinionhaver@feddit.uk
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            0
            ·
            27 days ago

            Well, that’s not a direct quote from me, but yes - some people assume the universe was created by something. For some, that’s the person running the simulation; for others, it’s the biblical God as described in the Bible, or atleast their interpretation of it.

            • JackGreenEarth@lemm.ee
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              0
              ·
              27 days ago

              So if I’m understanding you correctly it’s not just that people believe the universe was created by something, but they have a specific idea of what that thing is - eg a conscious, powerful, morally good, knowledgeable being

                • JackGreenEarth@lemm.ee
                  link
                  fedilink
                  English
                  arrow-up
                  0
                  ·
                  edit-2
                  27 days ago

                  Ok, now I’ve clarified what beliefs you think some people assume without evidence, I would still say that believing those things isn’t right. You should still have a good reason for believing what you believe, and taking the existence of a conscious creator as given is invalid.

                  • Opinionhaver@feddit.uk
                    link
                    fedilink
                    English
                    arrow-up
                    0
                    ·
                    27 days ago

                    By “those things,” you’re referring to God or the entity running the simulation? Whether it’s a reasonable belief isn’t really relevant from the perspective of the theory itself. You’re still going to encounter people who hold such beliefs - and if you want to change their minds, the better approach is to identify and challenge their underlying beliefs, rather than the ones built on top of them.

                    Belief in a God or a creator is a foundational belief - being against abortion isn’t. That view only logically follows from the prior belief.

    • gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      0
      ·
      27 days ago

      What i don’t get here is what the existence of a “creator” would have to do with abortion. Just as an example, what if there is a god. What does that tell us about everyday life, or about abortion?

      It would be very well conceivable to me that there is a god, but they have no opinion about whether we do abortions or not. How are these things connected?