• WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works
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    2 days ago

    TPM has nothing to do with any privacy invasion, AI, or anything bad really.

    are you living under a rock, or have you been not using an Android phone in the past decade? that’s exactly what is happening! through the use of the TPM, apps can verify whether you run a google corporate approved operating system, or something else, even if just slight differences, but also if you use a real clean and respectful system.

    plenty of apps do this. including banking apps, while banks are restricting their web banking sites to not work on phones (because that “gives us security from hackers”, no I’m not joking this is what my bank told publicly 2 months ago, in the EU), pps that use some form of DRM, and even work related apps that show you your current working hours and needs to be used for work related manners!

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      TPM is a secure part, a cryptoprocessor with some memory, isolated from everything else, very basically.

      It stores keys and other sensitive data, like your “hello windows pin”… Or any other PIN if you want…

      This secure “box” can also be used for DRM by using the secure nature of the TPM to store the keys, or to encrypt the harddisk of your work laptop. Multiple of uses really. It’s kind of like all piece of technology, it seems like.

      At that point, it’s like you are saying that encryption is bad because it can be used for DRM or validate if a piece of software is valid or not.

      The TPM by itself isn’t bad or related to privacy invasion. Nor the internet or a browser is only used to spy on you.

      There is a limit to the conspiracy…

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        2 days ago

        Unfortunately, you are incorrect, and everything WhyJiffie has said about trusted computing on Android hardware is correct, and there is currently nothing to stop it from happening on PCs too, when TPM is more ubiquitous.

        This is the same technology that locks printers out of 3rd party ink, or restricts the ability of farmers to repair their own tractors.

        I recommend learning more about it, and reading what Cory Doctorow writes about it. https://pluralistic.net/2024/01/18/descartes-delenda-est/#self-destruct-sequence-initiated

      • WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works
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        thats like saying a CPU cannot be used to run malicious code and be used against you, because all it does is maths, and maths cant hurt you, and would you really outlaw maths just because someone uploaded a picture of you to facebook?

        TPMs have a use, that can be good for users too, I don’t doubt that. but because of its capabilities it enables so much user hostile shit. and frankly the tradeoffs are not worth it. just look at what happened, and still is evolving by the way on android, but iOS too. bootloaders that are not possible to unlock were bad already, but this is terrible, that they are literally making it impossible to take ownership of your own devices, to get rid of all the factory malware, if you need to use certain services that most people don’t want to or simply just aren’t allowed to give up.