I’m looking for places with less censorship so we can have actual discussions instead of only allowing comments that support the trans agenda.
That level of censorship does not help their cause; it actively hinders it because regular people aren’t allowed to have their own beliefs on the matter. Either they succumb to the hysteria, or they’re ousted.
I’d honestly be surprised if even asking this question didn’t result in censorship. That’s how bad things have gotten.
Edit: Plenty of personal attacks, but no legitimate answers! Did anyone come to this thread to actually answer the question?
In here is a good place, as you can see you aren’t being censored.
That being said, let me show you how you read by changing a single word:
I’m looking for places with less censorship so we can have actual discussions instead of only allowing comments that support the black agenda.
That level of censorship does not help their cause; it actively hinders it because regular people aren’t allowed to have their own beliefs on the matter. Either they succumb to the hysteria, or they’re ousted.
I’d honestly be surprised if even asking this question didn’t result in censorship. That’s how bad things have gotten.
And there’s no “belief” in the matter, transgender is an understood condition, like ADHD or skin color. You trying to claim transgenders are not people, or that gender is not a social construct is just ridiculous, that’s why you’ll get downvoted or banned, same reason you would get arrested by going somewhere and claiming blacks are not humans, you’re factually incorrect, spreading misinformation and promoting violence, none of which should be tolerated in any civilized society due to the Tolerance Paradox.
by dumbpotato
Wow.
Nobody’s gonna fall for your “actual discussion without censorship” excuse, you’re obviously looking for a place where transphobia is welcome. Try xitter or reddit.com/r/conservative and GTFO off Lemmy with that shit.
But the more important question is: why?
Why the fuck would you WANT to be in a hate echo chamber?
Why would you want to read this week’s made up story about some creep that put on a skirt to creep on the ladies bathroom, when instead you could watch a cat video, or a cool car or talk about yesterday’s sports game or a cute potted plant or whatever it is that you actually like?
You have a very limited time in this world brother, why waste it being angry at some imaginary trans boogieman that will never really affect your life in any way, instead of doing something actually meaningful, or something that makes you happy?
Not trans here but, NO. There is no “debate” or “discussion” to be had about anyones right to exist without persecution. Full stop. It’s not your business to “discuss” it and your opinion about someone’s existence is irrelevant. It’s not “censorship”. What you’re not so slyly complaining about here is that you’re feeling the consequences of your bigotry. Take it elsewhere.
I am a trans person and disagree with basically everything you’ve said. The only reason I upvoted this post is because censorship is really a problem and you should be allowed to say this stuff even if I vehemently disagree with you - I’m not going to change your mind if you’re banned or censored, or my talking down to you. If this post gets taken down, I don’t mind having a discussion with you via PMs.
I can understand you fear getting your account banned if you say your opinions, however you should be aware that using inflammatory language like ‘trans agenda’ or ‘transgenderism’ will make people less happy to engage with you in good faith. I’m not saying you shouldn’t be allowed to say that, but rather using more neutral language to discuss your opinions may result in a more productive conversation, as advice. I welcome your reply :)
Why are you even asking here? Why not directly go to twitter or truth social? That seems the obvious choice based on all the red flags in your post.
“The trans agenda” is in itself a bigoted statement. The agenda of trans people is to exist. If you’ve never used the terms “straight agenda” or “cis agenda” you’re the one with a bigoted agenda.
No.
I just got insta permabanned from world news @ quokka au for saying that sexual orientation is based on sex, not gender, is innate, and can’t be changed. You know……scientific facts. People are now claiming that being gay is a choice that you can just opt out of.
We’ve gone full circle to conversion camps and “pray the gay away” being believed to be effective. Insane.
He got banned on ignorance and intolerance.
Pointing out that LGB being defined as same sex attraction while TQ+ is based on gender identity is “ignorance and intolerance” now?
People were saying that being gay has nothing to do with sex now, only gender lol.
Let me ask you - do you think that sexual orientation is innate or do you think it’s just a preference that you can control and change at will?
Not at will, no. But the sex/gender attraction thing isn’t accurate.
People who consider themselves straight may still feel the same level of attraction toward trans people of their preferred gender. In my limited understanding, this is based on a combination of presentation, hormones and pheromones.
Sexual attraction isn’t based on gender, it’s based on sex. LGB are literally defined as same sex attraction.
A straight male is not going to be sexually attracted to a trans woman.
Shit, we should just stop observing and testing because the dictionary has us covered.
Aside from personal anecdotes, like my trans aunt marrying a straight man, and trans friends dating self-identified straight, or gay people who have never had a relationship or attraction outside their preferred gender—there have been studies on the subject.
Not many, admittedly, since it’s a new area of research. Politics, presentation, and genitals are factors (attraction to pre-op vs post-op trans people differs,) but there’s plenty of anecdotal evidence, articles and surveys that have been published if you searched for “straight attraction to trans identities.”
I didn’t post a link because none are as specific and comprehensive as the volume of information from a search. The Wikipedia article by that title has a short list of resources as well.
And why not challenge yourself to consider alternatives to your views? Learn more about sex, attraction and gender identity because it’s interesting? Unless there are specific reasons you don’t want to think straight men could be attracted to trans women.
This is full of weasel words. Here are just the ones that stood out to me:
- “Censorship”, which is just “free speech” with makeup.
- “Regular people”, implying that anyone disagreeing with you isn’t regular
- “Hysteria”
- “How bad things (are)”
- And of course, “trans agenda”
Everyone believes you are asking in bad faith, because it’s clear that you are.
(And as always, XKCD 1357 applies)
Before I can answer if your “criticisms” would be allowed in any communities, I need to see it.
So let’s see it, what criticisms are you looking to have allowed?
Well if you’d like to have a discussion about it please tell the class! Actual discussions should not violate the guidelines here… Unless you don’t want a discussion, but rather a hate fest? But if not and you actually want to legit discussion, we’d all love to hear it I’m sure! (Sorry if this comes off a bit sarcastic, but it’s not really meant to be taken sarcastically, and if you actually are in good faith then I’m sure you have no problem answering this question…)
I’m looking for places with less censorship so we can have actual discussions
Who are you going to be having discussions with if no one is there with you?
regular people aren’t allowed to have their own beliefs on the matter.
I’m regular people, which is to say I have pretty much every privilege one can enjoy in America other than wealth. But this statement implies either I must think like you, or I’m not regular people. Don’t drag me down into the mud with you.
I’d honestly be surprised if even asking this question didn’t result in censorship.
As long as you’re not engaged in bullying behavior, I wouldn’t expect it to get censored. But then I don’t really care, either. I’m not interested in these conversations with you; I’d rather hang out with… regular people.
Hehehe.
Not any anglo/Western forums, at least none that aren’t entirely populated by knuckle-dragging, hateful morons. As it tends to happen, whatever middle ground wise position is rarely reached, only the extremes. It’s a sensitive topic that involves particularly sensitive people, and I’ve found I don’t really talk about it in public either as it rarely serves any purpose… I don’t even personally know any trans person! I do know a locally popular drag queen and have a couple of gay uncles but it’s evidently not the same, lol.
Social media is a circle jerk machine: It will reinforce any sentiment to it’s absolute limit.
A sub like the one you suggested will inevitably turn into a anti-trans hate machine. No such space will exist for long on Lemmy, nor should it.
I’m sorry to see that everyone seems to assume your question is in bad faith. But considering what you’re asking for - that’s kind of understandable, isn’t it?
Fuck off transphobe, go back to Xitter
