We have an 83 or 84 year old neighbour who is said to have schizophrenia. I live with my mum and my brother and we live in the UK.
He has it in for my brother, accusing him of all kinds of weird things like “he’s stealing my water supply” “he’s blocking my TV” “he’s cloning my phone” “he’s going out into the garden at night making wolf noises to wake me up” (we have foxes visit our garden often, and you can hear them in the streets also).
Last year he started blasting his radio every day from 7:30 AM until 10:30 to 11:30 PM. Then, on most nights at 1:30 AM he’ll set off an extremely loud siren and then start screaming and occasionally throwing stuff at the wall/his room. My mum has cancer and she really does not need this.
I went over to his house about the noise, giving him the benefit of the doubt because he’s hearing impaired and has hearing aids, but then he explained to me he’s doing this on purpose to stop my brother from sleeping during the day because my brother is “going into the garden at night making these wolf noises to wake me up”.
We ended up calling the police on him last year, and shortly after that, he stopped and was silent. We had 8 months of silence and now he suddenly started again. The radio, the sirens and the screaming at 1:30 AM. We’ve done nothing to him.
My mum found out that the radio or TV (whatever it is) isn’t just in one room, it’s in EVERY room of his house (we live in a joined house). She found out that when it goes off, they all go off at once, so my mum concluded he has his radio/TV hooked up to some speaker system aimed at the walls. He knows my mum isn’t well and he’s been doing this for 2 weeks straight now. It’s so loud you can hear it over EVERYTHING, even games, films and music. I can hear it in the garden even. Constant low frequency noise that reverberates in every room in our house.
We did call the police Friday night and he hasn’t done the siren at 1:30 AM since but he wasn’t setting the siren off every night before that either. It’s keeping us all on edge. He doesn’t have a wife but his niece occasionally visits to tidy up his garden. We don’t have her contact info though. He apparently refuses to take his meds because he is the type of person to think he’s always right.
Sorry for the long post but I can’t sleep because I’m on edge about being woken up soon after going to sleep. Wasn’t sure where else to post this where I can get some quick replies.
Show him YouTube videos of the fox making the same noise? Hopefully you can convince him
Do they still sell those novelty toy mics that broadcast and speakers pick it up?
I’m not telling you what to do with that, but there are many options.
Ok, I have been in this situation. I was the crazy schizophrenic neighbour.
This does not go well for you unless you avail yourself of every avenue to protect yourself. This person is mentally ill and their illness causes them to have delusions about your brother and your family. Whatever they are hearing is making them think that they need to react by terrorizing you. In their mind they are protecting themselves. It is very possible that this escalates to violence.
You need to communicate regularly with the police and ask if there is a community mental health liason officer who you can be put into contact with. You need to keep a journal of every communication back and forth and every action the neighbour takes against you. Over time keep building a case until you can have the police detain them under whatever mental health laws you have.
You also need to supply a constant stream of documentation of the behaviour to your landlord. They can take action to preserve their property in the face of a mental illness that very well might burn it down.
I’m really sorry this is happening to you. Feel sorry for your neighbour if you want but advocate for yourselves and your needs first here.
Healthcare professional with some experience in mental health and emergency medicine here: This is the way to go . Your problem is NOT the noise. The noise is a nuisance but not dangerous. The fixation on your brother is. Because there is a high risk here,that once “noise” doesn’t cut it from the point of view of the patient, he will resolve to other means.
As said before:
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Document everything, make a detailed protocol about everything he does or says towards you.
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Call the police, especially when he threatens you or your brother or claims he is intruding. Make sure that every member of your household is as polite as possible to the officers. If they refuse to do something accept this but kindly ask for their names or collar numbers and the name of their chief constable. Then write a very polite letter to the CC making it clear that you understand the difficulties the officers face but how you feel threatened and miserable and ask for help and advice to resolve this. (Why being polite? Because then it is nearly impossible for any copper to frame this as a *neighbours dispute" or anything - and coppers in the UK are far more inclined to help “members of the public” they see as pure victims themselves)
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Depending on where in the UK you live contact your “Single Point of Access” mental health team. They are, well, the single point of access for mental health and by definition also are the contact points for friends,family,etc. of mental health patients.There is a good chance of them already knowing him, so that might help. Also,if your mom gets sicker from the whole ordeal, call her an ambulance - more freely than normal, to get that on the file. (And yes,I know this is a moral grey zone)
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Call your council both in terms of mental health and nuisance laws. Be nice,but pressure them to do something.
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Find out who the landlord of the neighbour is (if he doesn’t own) and contact him as well as your own landlord.
Again,let me repeat: The noise is not your problem. The noise is just a symptom of your problem and when the noise goes away and the problem is not resolved something else will come up - very likely something worse.
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It’s your mama, with cancer, really being hurt here. Ethically, that gives you options. Sucks for your neighbor, he can’t help it.
Fastest solution is to wait for him to leave the house and post a lookout. Make entry and destroy every speaker you can find. Decorate broken items with something that is a feature of his behavior such as a common phrase or food item.
When he gets home and throws a fit, call the cops on him and deny everything and act frustrated and put out. Talk about your sick mother. This may fix it. Ifi not, at least make it much better.
Well. I think we found the schizophrenic neighbor.
absolutely insane take
I’m being downvoted to hell for it, but I’ve done similar things in the past. I’m used to corrupt ineffective cops, sometimes you just have fix shit and be done with it.
IDK, it’s redneck but a quick frame up would at least end the noise.
I would agree with you if this person wasn’t schizophrenic. This would only worsen their symptoms and probably lead to escalations that would result in further property damage or violence. At that point you are feeding their delusions and even justifying them.
Yes. It’s cruel, but if you pushed him far enough, he would be committed. Op hasn’t been able to get effective help from the government/social system.
Sounds like he’s older and there are physically stronger people in OPs house so if it escalated, they can defend without much trouble.
Cancer mom beats schizophrenic neighbor. If causing the neighbor to decompensate gets her peace, so be it. This is not a difficult ethical problem, the expedient solution is just illegal.
I’ve done and will do a whole lot to take care of my loved ones. Society sure isn’t.
You sound fucking insane, dawg.
Well, dawg, I’ve spent most of my life living in a completely different world than most posters on Lemmy.
And yes, I hunt, fish, eat meat, drive a truck, have a beard. I also talk funny. I have castrated calves. Been backup in large deals. Dealt with thieving meth heads. Done amateur surgery.
I don’t live in my mother’s urban basement eating chicken tendies.
But yeah, that’s my white squirrel.
Counterpoint, I know lots of people that also do/have done lots of those things who also aren’t complete psychopaths
Keep calling the police. If they don’t want to do anything I’ve found that telling them if they don’t help you that saying something like “okay well me and my mates will ‘sort him Jim out’ ourselves” kicks them in to action.
I did something similar 2 years ago when I found the address of a guy who stole my bag. They didn’t want to help until I implied I might confront him myself, possibly with a weapon.
I don’t really have any experience with situations like this, but I’d be cautious of suggesting such things to the police. Worst case they don’t do anything, and something happens to the neighbor and suddenly you have a lot of trouble waiting for you.
I know here in Germany you can create a log of all the occurrences of your neighbor being loud, and if it is excessive a court can order your neighbor to be silent. If your neighbor then breaks the order, the police will actually do something. Not sure how things work in the UK tho
If its actual radio, you could get a small bluetooth radio transmitter (you can buy them at best buy to connect your phone to car selecting the frequency, don’t know if you will find a strong enough one to broadcast to his place from bestbuy though) and then you can choose what sounds come out of his speakers, your favorite music, audiobook, porn, silence?
This might be illegal if you’re transmission is too strong, check local guidelines
oh boy would this trigger his delusions
“This is the voice of God. I am giving you a divine order to go seek mental health treatment at an intensive inpatient care facility immediately.”
(/s, obvs. don’t do that lol)
Dudes probably got dementia or something
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You’re probably already keeping a detailed log of every incident, and recording evidence - keep doing it
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Go to the local council environmental nuisance team
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They provide a noise meter (or sometimes app for your phone) to record proof
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After a few incidents they can serve him with a noise abatement order
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If for some reason they won’t, as long as you’ve followed the process above you can apply to Magistrate’s Court directly for a noise abatement order and both parties will get summoned to put forward their sides.
Currently going through this, the council wrote the order, took it to my neighbour, who promptly talked them out of serving it. Said he’d be quiet. Wish it worked like that for parking tickets.
This guy councils.
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I don’t know how it works in the UK, but if possible I’d look into getting a protection order against harassment. Definitely gather whatever evidence you can (a security camera might be a good investment), but with someone like this they may very well tell on themselves if it goes to court. A reasonable person wouldn’t be doing something like this in the first place, so they may well make it readily apparent that this is the sort of thing they think is acceptable in a court room. Especially if they’ve admitted to you to doing it on purpose.
If you’re able to request police body camera footage, it might be worth it to do that after calling in a noise complaint, and if you share a hallway you might be able to record the interaction yourself if not. If you rent and do share a hallway, consider asking your landlord to install a camera in a shared space so that you can get footage that way. Make sure to check the laws in your area regarding consent for recording. If you’re allowed to record secretly, maybe you can get them to admit it again on camera.
I had a similar situation to this with a transphobic neighbor who was doing this for about 6 months. A court date got it squared away, because she told on herself to the police while on our hallway camera. It might help in your situation too.
If you want to go the unethical route, tell the police that he’s wandering naked in his yard waving a knife and yelling threats.
Maybe after enough calls, he’ll get committed, which it sounds like that’s where he needs to be.
This is the best idea in the thread and will yield immediate results. If the neighbour is unwell enough to harass a random family then getting them committed might actually be doing them a favour.
A friend of mine had a similar issue. Also UK, West London a guy was blasting his car stereo every night in front of his garage, often till 8-9 pm, in some cases during the night while having some weird people over. It was very loud, walls vibrating, etc
Various neighbours called the police on him at least 5 times but nothing happened, he turned off the music for a while, ignored the cops and turned it back on after they left.
They told them they need hard proof to do anything, this would involve getting a regular recording of the music and they should measure the decibels and vibrations to prove how disturbing it is to start anything. It was just the most bizarre way of telling people the local council and police will do nothing. Who the fuck has this kind of equipment and knowledge to do this?
Needless to say nothing happened. My friend moved to another place because of work within 6 months.
I do hope in your case the local law enforcement will be more competent, I wish I could give you an actual advice instead of a story :(
Disconnect his apartment from electricity. Maybe his breakers are outside. His main water valve is definitely outside, close it frequently. While he showers. Make him tired, fond out when he sleeps then ring his doorbell, call his phone, knock the door, etc…
Schizo accelerationsim. Don’t know if I approve but either way it’ll be interesting.
Kick his ass
This will resolve OPs problem by moving them to prison but their mother will still be in trouble.
You need to get a wolf statue to put in his garden so that can become the locus of his night terrors, be sure to put a speaker in the wolf statue so you can make it talk to him, then claim that you (as the wolf, naturally) are God, and you have granted him the power to walk through walls
I’m really sorry this is happening it’s fucking rough. I’d refer him to social services as well, he needs MH treatment but won’t do it himself. He may be bad enough for them to section him IDK.
He’s also likely with your local doctors I’d ring them too.
