The grieving parents of a 7-year-old child who died hours after being hit by a car were charged with involuntary manslaughter after allowing him and his brother, 10, to walk home unaccompanied by an adult from a nearby grocery store.

  • oo1@lemmings.world
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    13 hours ago

    I think you mean “involuntary manslaughter children” not “murder”.

    Involuntary manslaughter just requires negligence, and cars and roads seem like tailor made environments for drivers to be negligent.

    I know people here like to throw the ‘murder’ accusation around but it is a totally different level of intent and culpability - and it’d be hard to prove it beyond reasonable doubt.

    In my country though there is special laws for drivers , death by dangerous driving, and death by careless driving - so as long as you use a car, the normal rules for manslaughter don’t directly apply.

    I think , here, if you’ve killed someone it is hard to defend against a death by careless driving charge, as our highway code is very clear on duty of care towards vulnerable road users. But ultimately it’d be jury’s decision on “reasonableness”. I can’t see how no charges would be brought though - as the jury has to determine it, and any death must be taken seriously.

    Prosecution should just need to show that there was a hazard (pedestrians, children, in this case the corpse should do the trick) and that a reasonable driver could have done more, say slow down to less than 20mph.
    “no evidence of speeding” might be enough for some jurors, but that should be their call.

    Our problem over here is more on the punishment side. The punishment for death by careless driving seems lower than other forms of negligent killing. Many will get away with a small fine/community order and a 12 month ban from driving. So i think a lot of people probably plead guilty to avoid the fine and get away with a 1 year ban.

    Weak punishment, but there’s at least an acknowledgement that they did something wrong.

    Back to this case it seems crazy (to me) that there is not even a question for the court to determine whether the driver was negligent. Maybe the driver was reasonably attentive and had taken all reasonable measures to keep other road users safe, but surely they should be made to demonstrate that to the court.

    • outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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      12 hours ago

      Welll, part of the issue here is that americans are R strategists, and we must cull the weakest of our children pretty regularly.

      Generally crimes committed with a car carry less/no penalty here, but it isn’t formalized.