Please convince me that I should continue my support or advice what I can do. I’m prepared to do my part, but I can only do so if I can be sure that my support is not going to people who think arbitrary Censorship is alright (needs to be based on objective community rules and not on the political agenda of mods).
Support Mbin?
That sounds like a you problem
Is it my fault if a comment I posted is removed by .ml-Mods simply because it states that there can be no justification for terrorism?
Honestly, I can’t support that. Do you see it differently?
It’s like both siding slavery during Nat turner revolt
I want to preface this by saying I am not a fan of how .ml is run either. Tankies run rampant. Their ethical framework to me is wild.
But:
You don’t have to go there. They are their own instance with their own rules, just like tons of other instances with their own rules. You can’t show up and wipe your muddy shoes on their couch just because you don’t like their rules. You know what their rules are, you know you don’t agree philosophically, so don’t fucking go there. You don’t have to. You chose to go there looking for a fight, then you were shown the door, because that kind of behavior is not welcome.
You are not entitled to their consideration, you are not entitled to their time, and you are not entitled to posting on their instance. You seem to be under the (incorrect) impression that they are accountable to you. They are not.
They made their feelings clear to you with a ban, and you are now here throwing a hissy fit.
And before you start going off about how you think I’m a tankie or whatever, I gave this exact same lecture to someone a week ago because they were mad that an instance was hostile to the concept of ownership. An instance that was specifically centered around piracy. They felt entitled to express their option there without consequences but they were not so they acted like a petulant child.
Don’t be that user.
I didn’t realize that I was banned from .ml. Am I? Anyway, that’s not the point. My point is to support technology that allows free expression, especially since that’s not the case with mainstream platforms. And by free expression of opinion, I mean what is commonly understood by that term – not baseless insults, accusations, conspiracy theories, or anything else that lacks any factual basis. I mean the free expression of legitimate, debatable opinions. That should be the most natural thing in the world.
Ok so admittedly your post had all the trademark signs of an “i got recently banned” post, but you didn’t technically get banned I guess? So if that’s the case, I need you to explain to me what led you to making this post lol. You just woke up one day and did it for no reason? Did something specific occur? I feel like we are missing part of the story.
Anyway now that I fully acknowledge that part of things, I hope that does not keep you from seeing a larger point I am making. Surely you can see the relevance extends beyond whether or not you banned lol
Dude this just gets so reductionist at some point and we have had this debate over and over again around here. No you cannot donate to lemmy without lining the pockets of tankies. If that is a red line for you, then leave and find another project that better fits your values. No harm no foul, totally get it.
That’s just stupid. I would definitely resort to terror tactics if fighting a stronger enemy, like THE COALESCED FORCES OF WESTERN IMPERIALISM. It’s not like you can talk amoral monsters into being good, or like you have the time and resources to develop nuclear bombs and aircraft carriers.
I just don’t want my opinion to be censored for political reasons. That’s what I had hoped for from Lemmy – not some propaganda bullshit. Do you really see this platform as a counterpart to Truth Social? If so, then I’m in the wrong place, because I’m interested in exchanging opinions and arguments, not in having my opinion confirmed.
I got my comments deleted on Lemmy because I mention people’s possible hair colours, and was banned from Hexbear for similar reasons. I understand your frustration, I’m sorry it happens and honestly, I wonder if there are any better discussion spaces online (Reddit is even worse than what it originally was, which is saying a lot). I’m freeloading here, haven’t given Lemmy a cent, maybe you’ll feel better commenting here if you don’t give them any money? You might be silenced (until you create a new account), but at least you won’t get scammed.
I just don’t want my opinion to be censored for political reasons. That’s what I had hoped for from Lemmy – not some propaganda bullshit. Do you really see this platform as a counterpart to Truth Social?
Literally look at Truth Social. Or better, don’t. For a social platform to be healthy, it needs to be censored for poitical reasons. It’s just the political reasons have to be about, and for, good.
Again, why is that my problem? You can post about that literally anywhere else. What you do with your money is not the concern of me, nor anyone else looking at this post.
Because they are ok with other instances operating without censorship. Or with different ideological bias. Some people want their safe space. I do consider it generally harmful, but that’s how humans are - we want to discuss with like-minded people even if it limits the range of discussion.
On the balance, Lemmy existing is a benefit to humanity. You don’t have to talk to developers themselves.
It’s open source (AFAIK or least I certainly hope so). So once published, the bad guys’ work was effectively done for free. Take the win.
I mean, you could support piefed development or one of the *bins, instead.
There is no way to convince a person who is raised in a capitalist system why “arbitrary censorship” is way better than “democracy” where all significant media is capitalist owned. The only difference is that one is honest, the other isnt. If you come to my house, I will absolutely arbitrarily censor you if I dont like what you’re saying. Thats called personal freedom.
The “freeze peach” approach is a purely capitalist idea where you supposedly can say anything, even shitting on someone elses table but you have no actual way to change the broken system you’re in. Thats how they like you, divided, shitting on those you deem lesser and incapable of organizing.
So no, the people who make lemmy are the people who let you say exactly what you are saying now. From my pov, they deserve huge donations. Does that have to do anything with their instance? Not in my opinion.
But because I like to discuss these things: an instance is your private matter. you can do whatever you like and hear whatever you like. If that means you only say nazi stuff for example, that is your choice. And defunding those who give you actual freedom (before lemmy there was reddit and nothing) while not defunding the police or the state that does the exact opposite (looking at you, USA) is just wild imo.
There is no way to convince a person who is raised in a capitalist system why “arbitrary censorship” is way better than “democracy” where all significant media is capitalist owned.
I was brought up under arbitrary censorship. Democracy where all significant media is capitalist-owned is much better.
It isn’t, look out a window
I was brought up in a clasical liberal society. That it was also capitalist is incidental.
Tomato, tomato. These are just capitalist words for a competitive system with just enough leeway to keep you playing. Since it has been failing recently and people are organizing too much, they need their fascist hammer from the capitalist toolbox. Its very obvious once someone abandons the decoration.
Donate to an individual instance then. Or fork hour own, call it Demmings, and see where that takes you.
I already do that. So stop supporting Lemmy developers and only support the instance?
This is what I do. I don’t give tankies money but I’m happy to support all the instances I have accounts on.
Yes.
Bear in mind that ActivityPub is so much more than just Lemmy. Mbin and Piefed both exist as alternatives.
This really just seems like “I want to complain about .ml” with extra steps.
I don’t care for them, so I don’t go there.
Open source projects will be used for things of which you approve and of which you do not, that is life.
My question simply relates to whether I can support the software development without supporting lemmy.ml.
No. You can’t support Lemmy without supporting lemmy.ml because the developers use lemmy.ml for testing. They have not created a means for users to separate out their donations from one or the other.
That’s why others are suggesting you should just support a different but similar fediverse project like PieFed or Mbin instead.
That’s not what your question says though. Your question asks for reasons why you should support the development of Lemmy because you don’t like the moderation decisions that the developers make on their instance. That’s a different question than “how can I support the software without supporting the people making it.” The answer to that is you can’t.
As others have said, you can fund your instance if you so choose. You can also try to fund a fork/replacement.
You should not continue supporting it if you don’t feel that the developers aren’t deserving of your money.
Just finished that librapay subscription and reallocated the amount to another FOSS project.
You do whatever you like
Just to be real:
Every instance is an example of arbitrary censorship. It’s just that .ml is specifically about a kind of censorship you don’t like.
All that said, there is no “should”. Donations are voluntary, they are not the only way to contribute to the development of the fediverse, and there is already both alternatives and competition, and you could support those instead. I hear Pixelfed is making the rounds.
I understand that, but the Lemmy developers are deeply rooted in .ml. I just wonder whether it makes sense to support that. I am aware that this is FOSS, but there is no transparency as to whether my support actually ends up in the software development or perhaps in .ml, which I do not want to support.
Then the next best thing to do is to support instances directly. I’d guess most of them have a tip jar or donation box.
Be aware that if supporting unsavory people is your issue, you might want to skip some payment processors and pay the instance hoster directly. Some payment processors, like PayPal or Stripe, are into some unsavory stuff such as targetting sex workers, or appropriating your savings if you post speech they disagree with, or blocking access to service in countries of the third world.
I hear Pixelfed is making the rounds.
I think you meant Piefed. Pixelfed exists too, but that is more Instagram-style. Piefed feels pretty similar to Lemmy, just written in Python.
I personally like how Mbin integrates with Mastodon. Or at least the idea. I can’t figure out how to search up a specific Mastodon user.
Piefex! Pixelfie! Fedfed! I always get them mixed up!!! I’m Fedfed up with it! XD
Thanks for the notice.
Also interesting note on mbin, I tend to forget it can do that and it has also a lot of other niceties, but I have experimented very little with mbin.
My account sits 3 weeks unusedI can’t figure out how to search up a specific Mastodon user
But I mean a user that isn’t yet loaded (if it works like Lemmy communities or specific comments). For example
@zssk_mimoriadne@mastodon.socialisn’t visible from fedia.io nor kbin.earth.Unless mastodon.social is defederated from both. I can’t try Melroy without logging in.
For example, new communities can be loaded with !community@instance in the search menu, and comments by searching original instance URL (on Lemmy).
Couldn’t say as far as fedia or kbin.earth’s federation policies, but that user pulls up successfully here.
Thank you. People seem perfectly happy with lemmy.world blacklisting lemmy.ml altogether and such because it’s censorship that they agree with, people generally only get cranky in the pants about censorship when they agree with the thing being censored.
Support piefed instead. It’s fine for the Lemmy devs to have their opinions, but if they are going to be assholes about it then they can deal with the fallout. I’ve been around open source communities long enough to know that this quickly becomes a sunk cost fallacy, and the fediverse will be better off ripping off this bandaid as soon as possible.
Please create an account on PieFed if you don’t already have one. Let’s keep the momentum of more and more users migrating to PieFed. Also help contribute content to other instances so we can reduce .ml influences.
By the way, piefed.blahaj.zone is a thing.
Apparently, lemmy.ml instance ks only paid from OpenCollective: https://lemmy.ml/comment/18413453
Still the same people though.
The literal server isn’t the problem. The problem is the power tripping, transphobic assholes who run it. “Supporting Lemmy development” is directly paying those assholes, Nutomic and Dessalines, regardless of how much they want to obfuscate and mislead what actually happens to “Lemmy development” funds. It literally pays Dessalines to have the free time to make a hundred shitty mod actions per day.
Do you have examples of them being transphobic?
I’ve heard other accusations but it’s the first time I beard this one, I’m curious.
Nutomic said trans liberation is bourgeoisie pink washing. When pushed on it, actually by your instance admin, he basically avoided the topic and gave a half hearted “I’m sorry you’re upset” style non-apology and went back to lying about where Lemmy donations go.
