Holocaust admission AND Holocaust denial have now both been deemed antisemitic by the ethno-Fascist nation state that claims to represent all Jewish People.
They should publish a static list of all things anti-semitic because it seems confusing.
I really wish genociders would stop calling criticism of genocide “antisemitism”. it just nullifies the impact of the word. also as I have said many times before, Palestinians are semites
That’s Bloodlust… They’re ORCS!
“Zionism: you made your mum live inside the washing machine and she got dizzy from the spinning which made her vomit and you point at that vomit and call it antisemitism”
… from “Mum Does The Washing” by Joshua Idehen.
at this point I wish I owned a crutch factory that produced outstanding crutches. I would make a killing selling them to Israelis.
And these fuck sticks are all surprised pikachu face that anti-semitism is on the rise world wide. Hell even here in Canada you have people spray painting Jewish schools, businesses, and what have you. The largest Jewish school here in Toronto has 24/7 police presence they even have a damn SWAT Truck parked outside the school. But as soon as a Pro Palestine protest happens in Toronto oh boy is the Jewish community quick to condemn it and then act surprised when people tell them to fuck off.
And yes I’m well aware that not all Jewish people support what Israel is doing but it gets drowned out by those that would love nothing more than to wipe the Palestine people off the face of the earth and claim their land.
And it’s not like these people learned nothing from the Holocaust, oh no dear reader they learned plenty. They learned how to commit genocide and use those that were murdered in the Holocaust as props to proudly say “it’s our turn now.”
they are not shocked about antisemitism, antisemitism is the goal of Zionism because it gives them pretext to do what they want
That shtick got old long ago already.
Is there anything that isn’t antisemitic left?
Shooting Gazan children who are lining up to get food because they are being starved to death.
Apparently.
… which is actually anti-semitic because Gazans are Semites too
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I spilled my milk and was enraged by the anti-semitism.
they are like zionist version of oprah: you’re anti-semetic, you;re antisemitc, everbody is anti-semitic.
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They’ve been riding that “if you __________ you’re antisemitic” horse really hard lately. If they keep over using it they’re gonna eventually run out of sympathy and ruin it for the people are rather more in need of it to fight actual antisemitic bullshit, including themselves.
They’ve got to remember there’s been a lot of 1488 types about who have just been waiting decades for their views to go mainstream again.
And this dipshit is going to make it happen.
The extreme-right population is divided on this.
A lot of oldschool fascists still hate ‘the jews’.
However plenty of them support them (the zionists), and all of their leadership organisations and parties do.
Now it’s ‘the muslims’ who are the new scapegoat.
And after all zionism and fascism were always good friends.English Defence Leage thug Tommy Robinson:
https://s2jnews.com/10188-2/
Yeah, the boy who cried “WOLF!” all the time eventually got eaten by wolves.
I’m just going to lay on the ground now. pleaae don’t let me swallow my tongue
- Bart
No, you know what’s anti-semitic? Defiling your ancestors by being a fucking genocidal Nazi.
It is actually impressive that the leader of Israel is the bad guy
Not at all. The genocide isn’t new, it’s built into the very fabric of modern Israel. https://www.theguardian.com/books/2001/may/31/londonreviewofbooks
Always been.
When Israel was being founded in 1948 the UN sent a diplomat to help negotiate between the Palestinians and Israeli populations. He was a Swedish man who negotiated the release of over 30,000 prisoners from Nazi Germany in 1945. He was assassinated by Israeli Zionists.
Zionism is just weaponizing religion for the use by a government in my opinion. If that’s how Zionists acted when they were formed, why should we expect different from Zionists there now.The first pm of Israel was a genocidal terrorist. This is the status quo for states built on genocide.
Someone needs to ask Netanyahu what he thinks antisemitic means
if he was forced to define it, it would probably be something like “anything or anyone that disagrees with Bibi being in power forever”.
That’s the most antisemitic thing I’ve ever heard
^ That’s antisemitic!
Hey! That’s antisemitic!
hes like the white people that think they are less racist than POC, or they accusing other people of being more racist than they are.
Netanyahu says it’s antisemitic
Learn a new trick, fuckface. This one doesn’t work anymore. People are going to start responding to accusations like this with “so what?” because the word has been watered down to such a ridiculous degree that it is no longer meaningful.
And that’s really dangerous because it provides cover for actual antisemitism against Jewish people.
It’s all they have to hide behind.
I’ve never thought it fair or reasonable that the Jews have their own word for racism or supposedly committing racist actions against Jews is worse than committing the same act to others.
the existence of a specific term is due to pervasive and long standing existence of antisemitism in Europe.
Tbh, it used to be justified, and in some circumstances it still is justified.
Jews used to be the biggest “live-in” minority in Europe. So, a minority that lives in the same country and doesn’t have a separate homeland. Kinda similar to black people in the USA. Contrary to regular migration, groups like that can’t return home and they can’t just assimilate.
If you look at regular migration, if someone’s family has lived in the country for 4 generations, they aren’t foreigners any more. Someone might say they have a Polish grandma, or they might say they are of Italian ancestry, but they aren’t Polish or Italian themselves any more.
Jews, especially before WW2, couldn’t do that. They were a discriminated against minority that was kept separate of the rest of society. A bit like black people in the USA after slavery was abolished.
So racism against them was a whole other order than the regular racism/xenophobia faced by other immigrants.
WW2 showed how bad that special kind of racism turned out to be, but WW2 wasn’t an isolated event in time or location. Anti-Semitism had been rampant for centuries if not millennia before that, and it wasn’t just localized to Germany. Just read up on e.g. Henry Ford, just to pick a random name from the bucket.
That said, things have shifted after WW2. Specifically antisemitic laws are pretty much gone in the western world, religion in general is not nearly as critically important as it was and there are now more than enough people of Jewish descent in the western world who don’t identify as Jews or who aren’t noticeable as Jews. And for a large part, society has accepted a special “protection” status for Jews to prevent a second Holocaust.
In consequence, the hate against Jews has mostly shifted into hate against Muslims, and many far-right/right-extremist people are now arguing that they can’t be Nazis because they now don’t hate Jews but instead hate Muslims. As if the problem with the Nazis wasn’t genocide and suppression of minorities, but instead genocide and suppression of Jews specifically.
But yeah, Nazis will be Nazis, and they will argue in bad faith to justify themselves. Nothing new there.
The person you are responding to characterized antisemitism as “supposedly committing racist actions” which is an ignorant and hateful thing. You are arguing whether or not the existence of a word “still is justified”. Words don’t need to be justified or not; they go in or out of favor based on utility.
As if the problem with the Nazis wasn’t genocide and suppression of minorities, but instead genocide and suppression of Jews specifically.
This holocaust denialism. One of the major and specific problems with the nazis was their attitude regarding jews. They didn’t have a problem with “minorities”. They used long standing conspiratorial intolerance to consolidate power into the hands of their minority.
One of the reasons israel thinks it can keep riding the “everything is antisemetic” horse is because of how comfortable people clearly are with actual anti semitism.
This holocaust denialism. One of the major and specific problems with the nazis was their attitude regarding jews. They didn’t have a problem with “minorities”. They used long standing conspiratorial intolerance to consolidate power into the hands of their minority.
I think you missed my point. For one, Nazis didn’t only want to exterminate Jews. Roma, Sinti, homosexuals, communists and disabled people (just to name a few other groups) were also on the chopping block.
But my main point here was that if the holocaust wasn’t about killing Jews but instead about exterminating the French, it would have been just as horrible and Nazis would have been just as horrible.
You are arguing whether or not the existence of a word “still is justified”. Words don’t need to be justified or not; they go in or out of favor based on utility.
No, I’m not arguing about the justification of the existence of the word, but of the applicability of the concept. Slavery is still a word and we still all know the word, no question about that, but at least in Europe, legalized slavery isn’t really a concept we need to put a lot of political effort into, because it doesn’t exist any more.
The concept is not applicable to today. We don’t need to have laws governing how slaves are treated, how the process of freeing slaves go, how former slaves are treated in society. We don’t even need to have discussions about that topic, because there’s no legalized slavery any more.
And in the same vein I think it’s justified to think about whether Jews really still need this protected status over e.g. Muslims or refugees. At least over here, it’s not so rare that e.g. refugee homes are set on fire by right-wing extremists. All sorts of Jewish institutions in my city have a permanent police guard stationed outside of them to protect them from potential attacks, even though they haven’t really happened in decades, while mosques or refugee homes usually don’t have that.
A similar thing is happening on a grander scale with Israel and its neighbours. They’ve been squashing Palestine under their heels for decades, but in false anti-antisemitism the governments of countries like Germany have been agreeing with everything Israel’s government does, because Jews are the better minority and Muslims are sub-human, or something like that.
So my point is not “does the word antisemitism has a place in the dictionary”, but instead “do Jews need this higher protection status over everyone else, or is there maybe another group that could need protection as well/more?”
Slavery is still a word and we still all know the word, no question about that, but at least in Europe, legalized slavery isn’t really a concept we need to put a lot of political effort into, because it doesn’t exist any more.
We don’t need to have laws governing how slaves are treated, how the process of freeing slaves go, how former slaves are treated in society. We don’t even need to have discussions about that topic, because there’s no legalized slavery any more.
I guess you have never heard of the UK’s 2015 Modern Slavery Act (“An Act to make provision about slavery, servitude and forced or compulsory labour and about human trafficking, including provision for the protection of victims; to make provision for an Independent Anti-slavery Commissioner; and for connected purposes”).
If you web search for any organization or company that’s active in the UK, you will find they have a bunch of disclosures and policies relating to slavery. Here are some randoms ones to save your fingers from working too hard: the NHS, Apple, Levi’s
There is movement towards EU-wide anti-slavery legislation.
And in the same vein I think it’s justified to think about whether Jews really still need this protected status over e.g. Muslims or refugees. At least over here, it’s not so rare that e.g. refugee homes are set on fire by right-wing extremists. All sorts of Jewish institutions in my city have a permanent police guard stationed outside of them to protect them from potential attacks, even though they haven’t really happened in decades, while mosques or refugee homes usually don’t have that.
Presumably you have spent
zeromoments looking into the validity of the claim about no attack in decades, just like the one about slavery being a non-issue. I proceed on the premise that you are ignorant and incorrect.“Anti semitism” describes a unique and specific form of bigotry which is deeply entrenched in Europe and elsewhere which is influenced by European culture. It’s different than anti-black racism, orientalism, or islamiphobia to name a few. They all “deserve” their own words to describe the nuances.
Obviously you should do something about people’s houses being set on fire. Jews are are certainly not the primary barrier. I bet if you were to look at people who are in positions to actually do anything, you’ll find most of them are Christians. And do you think those cops who are paid to stand around all day as street furniture would really change anything for the better if they were re-deployed? They’d probably assist the arsonists.
Israel is a criminal enterprise from top to bottom. It has many advocates, the most effective and powerful of whom are not jewish, who conduct themselves in heinous fashion. Israel was created after WW2 by europeans who were semi-regretful about the holocaust, but were happy to not have a bunch of poor jewish refugees returning home. And by Europeans who didn’t regard the arab or muslim inhabitants of Palestine as human beings. Europe and the US have been in active support and benefiting from Israel’s crimes for decades.
We need to be able to use our brains to get through the swamp of propaganda without falling back on old bigotries. Blaming jews for structural problems is one of the core tenants of nazisim. I don’t know if you are a nazi or you’ve just picked up a bit of it through culture, or something in between.
Maybe don’t commit hate crimes?
I’m waiting for the day where he says reading the Torah is antisemitic.
Like many evangelicals have done with the depiction of Jesus in the Bible.
Is Israel trying to give retroactive justification to Germany ca. 1940?
No. Collective punishment is a crime.
I think I get where you’re going, but don’t even go there. Nothing could ever justify any genocide; not the Holocaust, and not the Gaza one. The idea that anything could is frankly, grotesque.
I get what you’re trying to say but let’s not go down that path. Genocide isn’t justified no matter the circumstances.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionist_antisemitism
Zionist antisemitism or antisemitic Zionism refers to a phenomenon in which antisemites express support for Zionism and the State of Israel. In some cases, this support may be promoted for explicitly antisemitic reasons. Historically, this type of antisemitism has been most notable among Christian Zionists, who may perpetrate religious antisemitism while being outspoken in their support for Jewish sovereignty in Israel due to their interpretation of Christian eschatology. Similarly, people who identify with the political far-right, particularly in Europe and the United States, may support the Zionist movement because they seek to expel Jews from their countries and see Zionism as the least complicated method (vis-à-vis ethnic cleansing or genocide) of achieving this goal and satisfying their racial antisemitism.
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The French-Jewish journalist Alain Gresh noted that the antisemitic right-wing politician and Nazi collaborator Xavier Vallat said that "Jews would never integrate into France and that they had to go to Israel.
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The historian David N. Myers wrote that “Leading white nationalists such as Richard Spencer and Jared Taylor liken their movement to Zionism, seeing it as a model for the kind of monoethnic purity they favor in [the United States].” Myers states that the “combination of pro-Israel and antisemitic sensibilities” is common within American politics due to the combined influences of the “Christian evangelical Right with its end-game theology”, “archly conservative” Catholics, and the political ideology of Donald Trump.
If you generalize the stance away from Jews, “foreigners should go back to their home countries” is a very popular talking point for right-wing politicians, right-wing extremists and nazis.
So it’s quite beyond me that anyone would be surprised that they apply the exact same argument to Jews as they use for pretty much every other minority that has a country that they can send them back to.
I feel guilty for laughing.
