• Arghblarg@lemmy.ca
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    1 day ago

    Yeah well look at what’s happened to Ukraine after they gave up their nukes. Basic logic.

          • frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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            21 hours ago

            I did. The United States followed everything it says. It just doesn’t say to do very much.

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                15 hours ago

                Not at all. You clearly haven’t read what’s actually in there.

                Clinton didn’t think Congress would ratify strong guarantees. Ukraine itself wasn’t in a position to ask for much more, because it didn’t have the economy to afford to maintain nuclear weapons. The result is an agreement that aggression against Ukraine would be brought up with the UN security council, and that’s about it.

                In providing military aid, the US has exceeded what was promised.

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                  15 hours ago

                  Article 5 has:

                  such action as it deems necessary, including the use of armed force

                  which might also be thoughts and prayers while Trump is in the White House and

                  Any such armed attack and all measures taken as a result thereof shall immediately be reported to the Security Council. Such measures shall be terminated when the Security Council has taken the measures necessary to restore and maintain international peace and security

                  which is basically what was offered to Ukraine.

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                    15 hours ago

                    Nope, not at all comparable. The US does not puppet master the UN Security Council. It can bring the matter up, and it has. Russia has veto power on the same council. Nobody expects anything to come of that, but the requirements were met.