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In women’s sport, I just don’t think it’s fair to women to compete against trans-women* who are stronger than them. I only beleive that out of fairness, but I think people have every right to do what they want with their bodies and be accepted for who they are.
Where another person’s rights begin, another’s ends type of thing.
** EDIT: Clarifycation of ‘trans-women’ at the astrick, was just ‘women’ before
You’re right, it’s completely unfair for women to compete against women who are stronger than them. For the weightlifting they should test every woman’s strength, and only the weakest woman competes. That’s fair.
and,
We definitely shouldn’t let trans women compete in women’s chess, because of the biological advantage/s
After 12 months: In studies which recorded the retained muscle mass/strength, there was an average of 25% residual advantage for transgender women at 12 months treatment compared with reference a group of females. After 12 months of testosterone suppression, transgender women remained 48% stronger, with 35% larger quadriceps mass compared with the control population of females.
After more than two years of follow-up on testosterone suppression recent research citing retrospective data from military personnel in the US has shown that transgender women retain an advantage in running speed, at a residual of some 12% faster than the known normative values for females.
What is your opinion on this, truely? This organisation literally supports trans-women being in sport but has to admit that they are uniquely stronger and faster than born-women. It’s an unfortunate reality but I personally believe that we can support transgender women without disenfranchising born-women. I’m just being pragmatic about it.
And for clarifycation, I don’t think there should be classes in chess.
There are a number of other genes linked to athletic outcomes that are way more influential than “12% above average”. Steroid usage is rampant in top teir sports for instance and people with like genetic kidney conditions that overproduce some hormones have a far greater advantage.
The people doing the sports should be making the rules about sports, not a bunch of armchair theorists with calipers. Most the guys who have A LOT OF OPINIONS on how to gatekeep womens sports don’t actually watch any women’s sports.
The second greatest contributing gene related to strength and fast twitch responses ACE I/D, has so far inconclusive results.
I’d be interested in hearing if there are more genes I’m unaware about.
Yeah, stereroid usage is not fair across the board, which is why before competition in every sport it is already tested for. Although it does slip under the radar. Likewise in some sports trans-women are tested before competing such as in soccer, and there are quite a few that, unfortunately, has banned them from playing entirely.
I am only for fairness, not for exclusion. The ideal world in my opinion, would be fair to everybody.
Trans women were allowed to compete in the Olympics in 2004. That’s 21 years ago. Six olympics.
The Paris Olympics had 11,040 athletes. The Athens Olympics had 10,600. Let’s average those for 10,800 and say 64,8000 athletes competed in the Summer Olympics since trans women were allowed.
Only one transgender athlete has ever won an Olympic medal. Their name is Quinn, they’re a soccer player from Canada. And they were born female. They won two medals.
So the percentage of trans people in the general population is 1%, the percentage of Olympic athletes who are trans and won a medal is 0.0015%, and the percentage of Olympic athletes who were born male and won a medal in the women’s league is 0.0000%.
What you should be understanding from these figures is that trans women will never dominate sporting events of any kind. We suck at sports because we’re all big nerds. Any trans person who is good at sports is a freak.
That’s apples to oranges. There’s almost no elite trans athletes. Elite athlete times are very close vs somewhat average people playing lower level sports where you can get a large enough sample size of trans athletes to make statistics.
You’re not for fairness, you’re for “fairness but only when trans people are involved”
If somebody was like “oh we should have a separate league for people with breathing disorders” you wouldn’t spend 1/1000 of the time on that question even though asthma affects a far larger percentage of the population and it is associated with what, 20% lower athletic outcomes?
No, it is what you said. It’s just not what you mean. It’s not my fault the two are separate. It’s your responsibility to speak clearly if you don’t want the silly things you say to be mocked.
Right
In women’s sport, I just don’t think it’s fair to women to compete against trans-women* who are stronger than them. I only beleive that out of fairness, but I think people have every right to do what they want with their bodies and be accepted for who they are.
Where another person’s rights begin, another’s ends type of thing.
** EDIT: Clarifycation of ‘trans-women’ at the astrick, was just ‘women’ before
You’re right, it’s completely unfair for women to compete against women who are stronger than them. For the weightlifting they should test every woman’s strength, and only the weakest woman competes. That’s fair.
and,
We definitely shouldn’t let trans women compete in women’s chess, because of the biological advantage/s
That is not what I am saying. You’re trying to make an enemy out of me when I am not, it’s almost a strawmans argument you just made.
https://womeninsport.org/transgender-inclusion-womens-sport/
What is your opinion on this, truely? This organisation literally supports trans-women being in sport but has to admit that they are uniquely stronger and faster than born-women. It’s an unfortunate reality but I personally believe that we can support transgender women without disenfranchising born-women. I’m just being pragmatic about it.
And for clarifycation, I don’t think there should be classes in chess.
There are a number of other genes linked to athletic outcomes that are way more influential than “12% above average”. Steroid usage is rampant in top teir sports for instance and people with like genetic kidney conditions that overproduce some hormones have a far greater advantage.
The people doing the sports should be making the rules about sports, not a bunch of armchair theorists with calipers. Most the guys who have A LOT OF OPINIONS on how to gatekeep womens sports don’t actually watch any women’s sports.
https://bmcgenomics.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12864-016-2462-3
The greatest researched gene for sprint times measures just less than a percent of influence at 0.92%
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC2984550
The second greatest contributing gene related to strength and fast twitch responses ACE I/D, has so far inconclusive results.
I’d be interested in hearing if there are more genes I’m unaware about.
Yeah, stereroid usage is not fair across the board, which is why before competition in every sport it is already tested for. Although it does slip under the radar. Likewise in some sports trans-women are tested before competing such as in soccer, and there are quite a few that, unfortunately, has banned them from playing entirely.
I am only for fairness, not for exclusion. The ideal world in my opinion, would be fair to everybody.
Trans women were allowed to compete in the Olympics in 2004. That’s 21 years ago. Six olympics.
The Paris Olympics had 11,040 athletes. The Athens Olympics had 10,600. Let’s average those for 10,800 and say 64,8000 athletes competed in the Summer Olympics since trans women were allowed.
Only one transgender athlete has ever won an Olympic medal. Their name is Quinn, they’re a soccer player from Canada. And they were born female. They won two medals.
So the percentage of trans people in the general population is 1%, the percentage of Olympic athletes who are trans and won a medal is 0.0015%, and the percentage of Olympic athletes who were born male and won a medal in the women’s league is 0.0000%.
What you should be understanding from these figures is that trans women will never dominate sporting events of any kind. We suck at sports because we’re all big nerds. Any trans person who is good at sports is a freak.
That’s apples to oranges. There’s almost no elite trans athletes. Elite athlete times are very close vs somewhat average people playing lower level sports where you can get a large enough sample size of trans athletes to make statistics.
You’re not for fairness, you’re for “fairness but only when trans people are involved”
If somebody was like “oh we should have a separate league for people with breathing disorders” you wouldn’t spend 1/1000 of the time on that question even though asthma affects a far larger percentage of the population and it is associated with what, 20% lower athletic outcomes?
No, it is what you said. It’s just not what you mean. It’s not my fault the two are separate. It’s your responsibility to speak clearly if you don’t want the silly things you say to be mocked.
Could you quote me and break down your understanding of what I said?
I don’t necessarily feel mocked, are you trying to mock me?
Also you didn’t respond to the study still?
Right, so that second “women” should have been “trans-women” for clarifycation. I’ll edit that.
Did you misinterpret that on purpose?