By Henri Astier BBC News


Israel has suggested that the long-term aim of its military campaign in Gaza is to sever all links with the territory.

Israeli Defence Minister Yoav Gallant said that once Hamas had been defeated, Israel would end its “responsibility for life in the Gaza Strip”.

Before the conflict, Israel supplied Gaza with most of its energy needs and monitored imports into the territory.

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    It’s disengenuous. People complain about Gaza not having enough of its own water or electricity infrastructure and relying on Israel, but up until now Israel has required Gaza to get their permission on any new construction. So Israel have been holding Gaza hostage via water and now they’re cutting them off and making excuses for it.

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      It doesn’t help when the government in the region digs up infrastructure to construct weapons with and makes hype videos about it.

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        Man good point. Glad the Israelis aren’t using any weapons that are disproportionately more effective on a captive populace. The prisoners shouldn’t fight back against their oppressor through whatever desperate means they have available. Please die and suffer in silence, Palestinians.

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          I know right. Imagine they used air burst munitions or. Cheaper mass artillery barrages rather than the primary kinetic and precision strikes they use now. It would look like Eastern Ukraine in Gaza.

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            Ah yes, because the current bombing campaign against civilians and civilian infrastructure has been very humanitarian. So glad Israel has been showing “restraint”. Never mind the white phosphorous too, very legal and very restrained.

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              Do you know how and why wp rounds get used? You mark a target with wp rounds and now it has an IR signature. So your artillery round can be a single “smart” round that hits your target.

              Without wp you’d need to send dozens of rounds in to only probabilistically hit your target and if there was unexpected wind or pressure you might need to try multiple times. That would level whole neighborhoods and sometimes would level them as a “miss”.

              People talk about wp rounds like they’re mustard gas or something. It’s a wp round per target or it’s 10-40 artillery rounds per target.

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                How about, no rounds per target?

                I love how you’re debate-lording me on the specifics of how civilians, children and their infrastructure get blown to bits. Even if you could justify it in that way, that shit is still a war crime for a reason.

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                  It’s not a war crime though. That’s the point. They’re not specifically targeting civillians. They’re targeting dual use infrastructure.

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        That’s very true, however I don’t believe Gaza had sufficient water supplies even before then.

        The whole issue is a mess, with so many bad actors on both sides.

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      When the ruling party have publicly stated and action supported main goal in destruction of Jewish state, it is called security measure.

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      Wouldn’t it be a better solution though inevitably? I know nothing about the region so please don’t take offense, just seems if Palestine was granted autonomy while it would be rocky at first being free to govern themselves would probably be good in the end right or am I missing a lot on the situation?

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      So they give them water and electricity it is because they are holding them hostage. But they take it away and that is also bad. So they need to offer Schrodinger’s utilities?

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        They keep them reliant on water from Israel by preventing them from building new infrastructure. At no point has Gaza had a sufficient water supply.

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          Now correct me if I’m wrong, but this is the same group of people who, on video, showed how they dig up pipes to use for rockets right?

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            Yep, rocketing themselves in the foot-shaped hospital with that - or at least their government are. Even so, before they dug it all up I don’t think they had sufficient infrastructure.

            It’s such a complex set of issues you can always whataboutism almost any point. Not that I’m knocking you for doing it.

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          And Israel bombed their civil airport, because it was representing a security concern for them. How not to love your oppressor, right?

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        The “moral” solution would be to provide electricity and water while they aid them in constructing their own infrastructure that they’ve been preventing them from building.

        If I take you hostage on a boat and free you in the middle of the ocean, that’s not a good thing, right? You can’t put someone in a bad situation and then claim that they’re responsible for themselves now and not take blame for it.