So now we can add “directly capturing a sovereign leader” to the list of crap the US has done. So what do you think will actually be “the straw that broke the camels back” for world leaders to actually do something? Think it’ll be significant or something mundane?
This is the thing, regarding Venezuela it’s become a bit of a hot topic worldwide now, in that it’s created a controversy not in the way you would expect. See currently a lot of Venezuelans hated that guy and are happy he’s been taken. So it’s a bit hard on how to play that,
Don’t get me wrong, how trump did this and the reasons he did it are entirely greedy but at the same time a lot of terrorized individuals are now seeing him as a hero but still very oblivious to his end game on how he’s going to destroy their home for his gain yet.
From the frying pan into the fire.
he didn’t do it for them. They don’t know that yet.
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Pretty sure this is what the techno-garchs want.
Or the European TARGET system. Already in place, and works like a charm.
You forgot about all intra-continental internet cables going through US routers and oil being traded in USD.
Lmao give China more power
Giving all power to China, would corrupt it almost instantly, and turn it into USA V2. I don’t recommend leaving all power in one country, if you want prosperity.
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Giving all power to China, would corrupt it almost instantly, and turn it into USA V2.
China is already extremely corrupt, they’re simply using militarised corruption instead of a military to exploit developing countries.
“when you think about it, China trading with other countries is just as bad as us carpet bombing them”
Yeah it’s great we built the most expensive highway in the world using Chinese prison labour, on Chinese loans, and it’s falling apart less then a year in. It’s perfectly fine that there are a 1000 different schemes draining the budget and literally killing people with tofu dreg construction. I guess we should feel lucky Chinese companies will take over national parks, waterways, and exploit every single resource until there’s only a toxic wasteland left…
Source for any of those claims?
The same group that’s talked about in the first article has built the highway I’m talking about, but I can’t find an article with a good overview.
Google “developing countries debt trap China” and you’ll find plenty of articles on the overall scheme, these are just some examples from my country.
https://www.greeneuropeanjournal.eu/chinas-rush-for-serbias-minerals/
Then we have the tragedy that started off the mass protests to take down the corrupt regime
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novi_Sad_railway_station_canopy_collapse
If you don’t like my sources, you know what to search for now, this is just what I found quickly.
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Sure, they built a shit load of infrastructure here as well. For example we had the most expensive highway built by Chinese prisoners, and paid for by Chinese loans. It not only started to show wear less then a year in, but there are sections that are literally expected to collapse.
We had the most expensive reconstruction done by Chinese workers, the ceiling collapsed and killed a bunch of people.
And so on, etc…
Now they’re in talks to turn over every remaining national resource to them, to cover a part of the great work they’ve done so far, while Chinese companies are literally releasing unprocessed toxic waste into rivers.
I think I prefer one over the other.
It’s nice to have a preference in the taste of the boot standing on your face…
I think this is the first time I’ve seen someone from Lemmy.ml admit something negative about China.
To me it seems that the US, China, and Russia are all behaving imperialistically, which is pretty worrying.
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And then were summarily pardoned by the person who urged them to do it?
If other counties boycotted instead of caving into demands, that would have an influence.
This isn’t the first time the US has done
“directly capturing a sovereign leader”
Importantly other countries aren’t that mad about it either. I saw some posts about Trump making comments that seemed to suggest that mexico and canada could be targeted in the future for intervention related to drugs, so I went to canadian news sites to see what was up. The canadian government is basically like, “I’m not angry, I’m disappointed” and mostly because it goes against the norms of polite imperialism.
I won’t link to her twitter account, but here is the statement:
Alt text:
The Hon. Anita Anand Minister of Foreign Affairs
Since 2019, when Canada closed its embassy in Venezuela, we have refused to recognize any legitimacy of the Maduro regime and opposed its repression of the Venezuelan people, including the persecution of dissenters and particularly political leaders opposed to the regime.
In keeping with our long-standing commitment to upholding the rule of law and democracy, Canada calls on all parties to respect international law and we stand by the people of Venezuela and their desire to live in a peaceful and democratic society.
Canada is engaging with its international partners and monitoring developments closely.
Canada stands ready to assist Canadians in need through our consular officials and embassy in Bogotá, Colombia.
No, this is different and completely unprecedented.
We went into a foreign country, abducted their leader, and brought him back to America to be tried under our justice system for laws he was never subject to for crimes he almost had nothing to do with.
I’d love to see a source for America abducting the leader of a country we’re not at war with, and bringing them to America for trial.
Don’t read much, do you?
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Can we do better than the rightwing rag, The Washington Examiner?
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Approximately 24,000 troops descended upon Panama in December 1989, beginning a weekslong siege of the country that scattered the government and military officials.
That’s an invasion, not a kidnapping…
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What are you talking about?
There’s no American troops there now.
If you’re arguing there’s going to be a response or separate action in the future, yes…
That’s how time works, there’s always something happen, obviously something will happen next
That was an invasion, not a kidnapping.
The first hint is the situation was called “invasion of Panama”
Operation Just Cause
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While the above poster is missing the particulars, this still is unprecedented - panama and the US were at war, and Noriega surrendered to US forces before being taken to the US. As far as I’m aware, brazen kidnapping like just happened with Maduro really is a new low for the US.
I think we did that to Hawaii. And now it’s a state.
Nah, Hawaii was an invasion, I believe the Queen was travelling to DC.
She left Hawaii as a queen and when she got to Hawaii to negotiate a treaty, she was told Hawaii was already an American territory
The close enough for me. Going in to countries and fucking about then leaving them worse is kinda what we do unfortunately. Well I guess it’s what all countries who can do as well.
When you get the time it’s worth reading up on, super interesting and I’m surprised there hasn’t been a big movie about it despite America being the bad guys.
I think it’s the first time they do it without international support.
Hot take, this was a way better outcome than carpet bombing Baghdad had. Objectively bad of course, but maybe the US military has actually learned something. I’d argue that Trump is a figurehead for the MIC, and it is telling that they have behaved with relative restraint (relative to Gaza and Ukraine for instance). If he was calling the shots for real how would this have gone down? It’s been obvious since the Nobel prizes that there was a western consensus on regime change in Venezuela. It’s directly related to Ukraine. This is a demonstration that the US military is far more capable than Russia’s, and a message directly to Putin and simultaneously any sub-peer nation considering alignment with Russia or China.
The world has to hold us accountable. Sanction us. Make it hurt.
Americans aren’t the only ones being “cowards” in all of this, as Europeans online love to throw around these days.
If other countries threatened/targeted members of the heritage foundation instead of enlisted soldiers.
It’s very easy (for sociopaths) to ignore threats on other people’s lives.
Invading or pissing off Japan, China or Canada. All of whom own a sizable amount of the US national debt. Any one of whom can dump said debt and cause a default on the US debt causing hyperinflation. With hyperinflation, they can’t pay for their military and thus are dead in the water.
Time. A regime as dysfunctional as this can’t go on indefinitely… Like, it is physically impossible for it to think far enough ahead for it to be resilient enough to last. Unfortunately, a lot of good people will suffer before then.
Franco’s regime in Spain lasted decades. Actually so did the fascists in Italy…
Dude Not the first time US has done this.
While we all still talk in “countries” the real world leaders talk in “globes”. Be true to your school, patriots. Eventually I hope you discover your school is one globe as well.
If we’re talking war - Annexation of Greenland would probably do it.
Once you piss off enough people with allies then historically a lot of contractual responsibilities kick in… But the new playbook like what we’ve we’ve seen in Israel is "as long as nobody in government says the word ‘genocide’ we don’t have to honor our previously signed responsibility to step in so even that’s dodgy.
Once the US is seen as enough threat to the sovereignty of other nations who are just doing their own thing I think the response will kick in. Right now other countries are likely going to target the US’s pocketbook by decreeing various economic and banking sanctions and ratchet up the internal pressures. The US correcting it’s own listing ship through internal citizen lead processes is the good outcome and letting it basically fall into civil war is a more acceptable outcome than outside intervention from an international law perspective.
The US has a lot of Hard power : economic development and money, millitary might, strategic bases the world over, an uncomfortable amount of the world’s nukes and a landmass that is legit difficult to wage a war on. The bar to actually interfering directly through boots on the ground intelligence related action is really high.
Maybe they can just fuck with US elections online. That wont end in disaster for everyone.
