• Sunfoil@lemmy.world
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    1 year ago

    Except loads of stuff, like your ability to vote, and for that vote to contribute to deciding who leads the country.

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      1 year ago

      What does the word democracy mean?

      Does it perhaps mean, “rule by the people?”

      Or does it perhaps mean “engage in a rigged spectacle every four years where the majority of people get to choose between two overmoneyed bureaucrats whose allegiance to the status quo has been vetted by corporate interests?”

      “Liberal democracy” is no more democratic than “social darwinism” is socialist - or Darwinist.

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        Yeah but western elections aren’t rigged are they. You get a lot of choice. The two final candidates are just one part of that in the US system. Elsewhere there is much more variety, but the people tend to vote for safe, mainstream moderate candidates (with notable far right exceptions), which is why they consistently govern Europe and North America. Sadly, the world isn’t just confused populist leftists. Everyone does actually just want what they’ve all voted for.

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          but the people tend to vote for safe, mainstream moderate candidates

          Really? Is that so? It has nothing to do with the fact that it’s the wealthy that prefers funding these (supposedly) “safe, mainstream moderate candidates” that won’t upset the status quo that benefits said wealthy at the expense of everyone and everything else?

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            No, not really. Funding is no guarantee of political success, some of the most expensive campaigns in US history have been failures. People don’t want the status quo upset, that’s why it’s the status quo. People are continually voting for it.

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              some of the most expensive campaigns in US history

              And what got them into the utterly privileged position of running those expensive campaigns in the first place, hmmm?

              People don’t want the status quo upset,

              No, be honest… you don’t want the status quo upset - which is why you are pretending “liberal democracy” can actually be called democratic with a straight face.

              People are continually voting for it.

              People are continuing to vote for the narrow set of political options they are allowed to vote for - that is it.

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                If there was any impetus for change like you want, Bernie Sanders wouldn’t have been beaten in a primary. You can believe it’s all rigged, but then to be honest you shouldn’t be complaining on lemmy, you should be doing a left wing Jan 6. I’m not American, I have paid leave, social benefits, free healthcare, bicycle lanes, so I don’t really care what your status quo is, but you guys are just amazing at voting against your own self interests.

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                  Bernie Sanders wouldn’t have been beaten in a primary.

                  The “marketplace of ideas” bullcrap has been thoroughly debunked, liberal.

                  you should be doing a left wing Jan 6

                  Your suggestion is for leftists to do a white supremacist lynch mob? What else should the left do, “enlightened centrist?” A leftist “version” of the Holocaust, maybe?

                  so I don’t really care what your status quo is

                  I don’t live in the Global North - I live in the extraction zone… you know, those places that your status quo couldn’t exist without?

                  at voting against your own self interests.

                  So I’m going to assume that the resurgence of overt fascist ideology in Europe is merely Europeans “acting in their own self-interest”? I guess it’s just the same ole’ Europe then, eh?

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                    Wow you are very much detached from reality. Okie doke. Enjoy being politically ineffective I guess.