I’m a heavy emoji user, texting is such a poor medium for communication, many times people get the wrong message, but with an emoji you’ll get an idea of the face I’m making, so less chance of misunderstanding
I noticed that every time I add an emoji to a comment it gets downvoted, so I tested my theory, wrote a comment without an emoji, got upvotes, went back and added an emoji, got downvotes…
On Reddit people use emojis a lot, on Lemmy I NEVER saw anyone use emojis, my account is new but still for the time I spent here, I never saw the use of emojis
So, is it just me, have you noticed this small detail ? and do you miss emojis the way I do ? 😭
On Reddit people use emojis a lot
I find this really funny. I used reddit for about a decade, and I remember redditors absolutely hating emojis. Reddit really changed, in the time I used it, and rarely did it change for the better.
I also remember a lot of hate for emojis on Reddit. Or maybe it’s just the communities I frequented. But, most of the hate I saw linked them to Twitter and a dumbing down of discourse. I have the same sort of reaction to them, but I also recognize that they are becoming normalized in discourse and I really shouldn’t have such a negative reaction. Some day, we’ll probably have some make their way into formalized English and you would be considered weird, archaic and backwards for not using them. Consider how we now see the use of the words “thee” and “thou”. Those used to be normal, but people got lazy and just started using “you” everywhere, despite it being the “wrong” usage. Now, it’s just normal.
I hated when they started allowing animated gifs in the comments.
“You” isn’t lazy usage of “thou”, they’re both modern representations of “þou”, the old spelling which changed to accommodate printing technology. “You” uses one fewer letter, so it became the preferred spelling.
The normies took over.
Says a guy with a profile picture.
V😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 We Are Anti-Normie old man🧓 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😹👻🇵🇸🇺🇸😭😈😡🦅🍑🍑🍑🍑🍑🪠🪠Vvv
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Come to say the same thing. I guess it’s mostly old grouchy people like us that moved on to the Feddiverse lol
When the Redditpocalypse started and we all came this way, someone made a post about this very thing. I still stand by my statement that day (which I paraphrase):
I don’t care about emoji’s enough to whine until it’s excessive. Reddit’s insistence that one “😀” is the end of the world was pants-on-head-stupid. Use emoji’s all you fuckin’ want, but if you start putting 3+ in 1 comment I’m going to prep a straight jacket for the person.
Since the app basically. Influx of younger and mostly mobile users really changed the platform
I didn’t really use Reddit until 2020. People hated emojis there the 3 years I was around. I don’t think the majority opinion on that changed
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Downvotes aren’t gonna stop me posting this lil guy 🐢
He’s cute 😊
I like turtles
Thats a tortoise 🤓
Or is it? Emoji designs can vary wildly between devices. Most notably the gun emoji, which is (was?) Either depicting a water gun, or a real gun, depending on the device.
(In this case you’re correct though, it is in fact a tortoise on every device listed here. But that emoji is named turtle!)
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It’s obviously a dog.
For me personally, it annoys me when emojis are used as a lazy replacement for language and it quickly deteriorates into 🥺🥺😭😭😢😭😭😰😰🙏🙏🙏 sort of bullshit.
In other communication I sometimes throw in a single smiley face because I’ve been told that middle aged women in particular interpret messages as passive aggressive if I don’t.
Except the smiley frequently adds to the aura of passive aggression 😀
I use happier looking smiling faces for that 😊
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Honestly, as long as you’re not going for a clickbait-like thing with lots of 😂, 😭, and 💀, when is not really justified, I don’t really see an issue.
Personally I’ll use ✨, ☺️, 🌸, and 🥺 regularly in my comments as I think they’re cute 🥺✨
Oh, you reminded me with ads that starts with emojis like 🚨 or political posts that are just propaganda…
I used to see a lot of these on Facebook and Gab ( now ), so I just assume the post is going to be either an ad, fake news or just low effort when it starts with an emoji…
I like the use of emojis when it’s justified as you say, like : saying that’s delicious followed by 😋, sounds friendly, even Ai like Copilot is doing it now
And yes they’re cute that’s why I like them… 🐱
Is that better or worse than BREAKING: on every post?
I much prefer emoticons over emojis, but I couldn’t tell you why.
Nostalgia :'(
Because we’re the last of the old guard? I’m gen z, and honestly I still prefer emoticons, probably because I grew used to them before emoji
Older gen z and I remember sometime in my mid teens most chat apps started automatically converting emoticons into emojis. It bugged me to hell and back you either had to swap :) to =) or turn them back to front to avoid getting “emojified”
I’ve turned to adding a ZWSP (no width Unicode) between the : and ) parts of the character, that works pretty well. It’s a bit of a hassle, of course
Oh, nice tip! Any good way of emulating that on a mobile Android keyboard? Or do you just copy and paste a lot? Perhaps this could be done with a custom autocorrect dictionary injury?
does ü get converted
Nothing beats O.o and :/ for me
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because cute
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Personally, it’s because emojis are just tiny yellow dots on my phone’s screen.
It might be an attention thing. With an emoji in a post your eyes are drawn towards the cute colorful picture before you l’ve read the content of the post. Emoticons on the other hand don’t stand out as much, but serve a similar purpose: punctuate a thought with an emotion (=
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¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Stupid question : what is the difference between an emoji and an emoticon?
Emoticon is made with text characters like this " :) "
Thanks
Not a stupid question! This is an emoticon:
:(
And this is an emoji: 🙁
Thank you
I use both at random just depending on how lazy I’m feeling or if I know the shortcode for a particular emoji off by heart. All gets the point across just the same :D
To me, using default face emoji gives off the same kind of vibe as still having the setting that adds “Sent from my iPhone” to the footers of your emails enabled. Or driving around a car you’ve purchased with the car dealership branding badges and license plate covers on it. Or using a laptop with all the factory stickers still on it. It signals a kind of “this is fine” lack of care or concern by allowing your own expression to be polluted by pre-canned expressions from a corporation.
Here you have a short list of milquetoast, approved-by-committee standard-issue emotion pictographs. Only the most broadly applicable ones. Perfectly weaponizeable for some airplane food communication by some brand on Twitter or Facebook. And people look at these and go, “Look! That one’s sad! I’m sad! These emojis really ‘get’ me! I’m gonna use them!”
They’re expressive, but only in the ways the platform is permitting you to be expressive. A valid counter argument would be, “Some is better than none”. But I can’t shake feeling like I’m being railroaded into communicating my feelings by approximating them into a small handful of simplified, standardized emotions. And I don’t understand how others are satisfied with that.
Emojis only render a specific way on a specific platform, too. So if you’re using an emoji that feels like it fits your current emotion because it has a very specific, nuanced look to it, but you’re on a platform that doesn’t render them the same for every user, you’ll unwittingly send a completely different signal than you were intending, as your emoji will become mangled into some slightly different emotion depending on who receives it. The only two ways out of this are either staying inside a platform’s walled garden so you only use their standard issue emojis, or you just relegate your communication to being described solely by the broad, vague notions that the emojis represent. Both options are restrictive in ways I dislike.
That isn’t to say that I hate emojis, or that I don’t think they can be used creatively. Ironically, in my opinion, the best uses of emoji are for when you’re using one to communicate any emotion other than the one it was intended for. Exhibit A: how 💀 has almost entirely supplanted 😂 in some circles. Usages like that are communicating more than the sums of their parts in only ways that emoji can achieve, and I find that fascinating. It almost feels like a form of social “recapturing”, taking them away from their usual stiff, corporate vibe and making them something transformative.
It only lasts for a time, though. As the mass market clues in on it and starts to cater to it, the novelty disappears. There was a time when 🍑 and 🍆 were clever innuendo. Nowadays there’s no joke there. That’s just what they mean now. The only ones who think themselves clever or fashionable by using them in that way are doing so in shitty Facebook memes.
The problems I have with emojis mostly only affects the face ones, specifically. The way the human mind is a hyper optimized facial recognition machine amplifies the platform exclusivity problem. Like, you can never have just a smiling emoji. You have to use this platform’s smiling emoji, the way they drew it, expressing all the little microdetails they decided to put onto it. And given how complex emotions can be in particular, the inflexibility of a standard set of face emoji to express yourself with feels significantly more restrictive than, say, not being able to find an emoji for some random object.
Just my two cents, though. At the end of the day, if you send a message to someone, they receive it, and they understand exactly what it is you’ve sent, that’s successful communication. Send those emojis with pride if you believe they enrich what you have to express in ways words can’t. As long as you’re being understood by someone, never let anyone, especially not me, tell you how you should and shouldn’t be able to express yourself.
This is a very well written reply ( it felt like I’m reading from a book: designing emojis ), thanks for sharing
I Totally agree with the fact that emojis can be expressive, but limited to the set of emojis you have on your keyboard/platform, and there are facial expressions that humans do alot but they’re not available on any platform!!
I don’t think anyone will look at my post and say : “wow, OP is crying rivers because he misses emojis”
But I think they’re cute, and personally reading a huge paragraph with no pictures or anything, make me disconnect, in all my notes, the titles and the subtitles have emojis in them ✍️
👍
🧠
That was a joy to read!
hyper optimized facial recognition machine
Reading a book this morning where an alien is confronting a human military commander (on screen) about an extraordinarily fraught situation.
The alien AI translates the human’s face and body language, and gets it right, but it’s second best guess was also correct!
“Must be the first one. No way humans can express 4 contradictory emotions with just facial muscles.”
What book, I’m trynna read it
Well put, I totally agree, I use emojis pretty sparingly, as you said they can be useful sometimes but by and large they feel way too off for me to express my actual emotions, I use them as you say counter to their intended meaning.
And a culture of unicode bullshit allowed infinitely more variety.
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On Reddit people use emojis a lot
Really? We must have used different subs. Maybe that’s the answer, you’re the only guy from r/emojipasta or whatever to make the switch.
No, first time I heard about that sub is from you 😊
Some of it may be an age thing, in my own case, i dislike emojis because i have no idea what most of them are supposed to mean., including the one at the end of your post. So for older folks like me, they make the post look weird, and can make it more difficult for me to understand what it is that you are trying to communicate.
But i wouldn’t actually downvote you for it, im just more likely to ignore your post if it is overflowing with emojis.
Additionally there’s not really a good way to enter them, especially when using physical keyboards.
If you’re on Windows, you can use
Win
+.
If you’re on Linux, try
ctrl
+shift
+e
If windows: win+, brings up an emoji picker
Shh, beeg secret… Emojis used to be put in on keyboards long before touchscreens where a thing ;)
I’m surprised you say you don’t know what the 😭 face means, since it’s just exaggerated crying. Is it because they’re too small, or that you suspect there’s some implied agreement/subtext you’re not party to?
I can see why people wouldn’t know what something like 🍆 is used to represent, since it’s not for the intended (I assume…) use.
Reddit was at the extreme end of emoji rejection as far as I ever saw. Odd that you experienced differently. I often saw well-upvoted comments such as “downvote due to emoji use” next to heavily downvoted emojis on Reddit.
Not an emoji fan myself, but each to their own.
Odd that you experienced differently
I used Reddit in the last few years, many people here used it since old reddit ui was the default, so you’re right, it’s just my experience
Reddit was the first forum in ages not to go hog-wild on stupid little animated pictures all over a text-based medium. That peace was betrayed by no less than the Unicode Consortium.
Zoomers replying with a comment of just
😭😭😭😭😭
is the most low effort and stupid type of response. I miss the old days of Reddit where people actually followed reddiquette, and hope that shit doesn’t come here.
The spamming of emojis is what I dislike about them. One gets the point across, ten of the same emoji is obnoxious. And those who use emojis are almost always like this.
Boomers, Zoomers and Millenials just collectively ruining everything. And don’t think I forgot about those Gen X-ers or Silent Gen bastards. Generations of people just ruining everything, from regular-ass etiquette, all the way to reddiquette too. Fucking generationals! Can’t have anything nice without some generation coming around and being it’s downfall. 😤
😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂
Imagine giving a fuck about who upvotes or downvotes you on Lemmy ☠️
Just use whatever you feel comfortable with it, I sometimes use emojis, other times simple stuff like :) or other times this ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I really like them as dumb little “reactions” in chats (as in: emojis other can attach to a message) but, for longer, more thoughtful text posts, they usually distract from the content IME.
I also don’t like how they’re usually, well I don’t know how to describe it but: Overly emotional. Your crying emoji is a good example; you’re not actually crying an ocean because you miss emojis, you’re just a little sad about it (I assume).
This “always taking everyting to the extreme” really annoys me about our current society. There is no moderation anymore; it feels like you must either be extremely happy or extremely sad/angry/whatever. You can no longer be “a little sad about it”, you must show that you’re crying a river over it or whatever.
I think that may be one of the reasons why I prefer emoticons. They don’t have that problem as much as you can’t easily express extreme emotions with them. :'( is about as bad a “crying” usually gets for example and when someone writes xD, you know they’re taking a piss.
For years before emojis LOL, ROFL, and LMFAO meant a mild chuckle…
Hmm… I think you’re right. I feel like I can more accurately convey my tone with words, onomatopoeia, and punctuation. Well, most of the time at least. … but occasionally I do find reason to use an emoji.
This “always taking everyting to the extreme” really annoys me about our current society. There is no moderation anymore; it feels like you must either be extremely happy or extremely sad/angry/whatever
And yet you still figured that I’m not actually crying rivers for emojis, I just miss them ( just a little ),
The idea of a emoji is to sound more human, that’s why Ai chat bots use them at the end of their answers, to sound more human and more friendly
emoticons such as :-) and ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ doesn’t have the same effect, still they’re better than nothing…
But I don’t like to use them, because I prefer to use punctuation marks in paragraphs where they belong, not to draw faces, it’s not what they were meant to do
The idea of a emoji is to sound more human, that’s why Ai chat bots use them at the end of their answers, to sound more human and more friendly
This is how you feel about it, but you’re posting in a place full of humans who don’t communicate that way. It’s fine that you like to, but you won’t have much luck appealing to a community by calling their norms less-human and unfriendly.
Reddit had a whole thing about looking down on emojis for whatever reason. But during the influx over the summer there was a discussion here somewhere about whether we were going to keep that attitude going here, and the general consensus was no because it’s ridiculous.
We’ve been using emojis and their earlier equivalents to help clarify meaning and intent (as well as for humour, obviously) for as long as I’ve been on the internet, which means they’ve been in common use since at least the mid-to-late 90s. I use them all the time, all over Lemmy and Mastodon, and haven’t had anyone comment on it or call it out (except once but that was in a positive way).
It’s possible different communities have different attitudes, but unless you’re using them in an inappropriate way I expect the downvote thing is more of a coincidence (or possibly one person with a weird anti-emoji vendetta, we all know there are weird folks out there) rather than a site-wide culture thing.
p.s. just realised I got through a whole post without any of the things for once so here’s a few of my most often used just to brighten things up 😄 😅 😬 🤓 👍
This isn’t like Reddit, which is full of elite snobs thinking they are better than others.
Emojis help communicating. I’m convinced it is the part written language has been missing since the dawn of writing.
It is the difference between:
“You are so amazing 😄”
and
"You are so amazing 🙄 "
A single emoji to add a little mood at the end of a comment is fine. As soon as I have to interpret a fucking code I’m downvoting and moving on.
This is where i’d add a thumbs up emoji of approval, but I don’t know how.
On Windows, you can open the emoji keyboard with Windows Key + (period).
Pardon me, I should’ve been more specific: I don’t care how either. Nor am I on windows, for that matter.
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Fair enough 😄