seen a bunch of people just hating on the Catholic church and even catholics for no logical reason at all
Religion is a political tool made to opress the masses. Catholicism is particularly harmful for sanctifying asceticism.
They sell this backward idea where suffering and misery is glorified while engaging in pleasure, principally sexual please, is seen as sinful and impure.
It keeps people from raising against their masters and constantly feeling guilty about themselves for craving sexual satisfaction.
no it is not?
It is. Some less some more. Religion is a strong tool to drive a cause. Look at the USA, at India, Afghanistan and the entire middle east. From egypt to isreal to iran.
centralizing “religion” as one universal thing, check
america, india, the middle east and afghanistan are not Catholic nations
Talking religion in general not just catholic.
Also the middle east isnt a nation lol
its a region
And you listed it as a nation
woops, sorry, editing it rn
I was raised in a catholic family, had church school every Sunday, wanted to be a monk. All until I reached the age of reason, I hope you will as well
oh boy here we go
had little to no spiritual guidance as a kid with parents that barely understood the basics of Christianity, and never went to sunday school at all and most of the adults around me didnt even WANT to speak about anything “religious”, have been persecuted for my faith multiple times
and what order did you want to join?
OP, a defensive catholic, has a persecution complex? This is incredibly surprising.
I haven’t seen any hate specifically towards the Catholic Church (I was raised Catholic, I think I’d notice). Lemmy is majority atheist and we live in countries whose cultures are at the very least heavily influenced by religions so there’s no love for theists.
What you MAY be seeing is people reacting to the rampant child abuse done by Catholic clergy that is regularly reported on and never really addressed.
I’d say no culture got not influenced by faith. Faith and culture went hand in hand for a very long time. Culture formed religion and religion formed culture
True, that’s what I said, no?
I think they just meant that it is true for all countries, since every culture in earth is affected that way. So the distinction “people here come from countries,…” is redundant.
Fair. I wanted to point out that we all experience some influence of religion(s) in our daily lives and thus have opinions. I suppose I could’ve worded that less ambiguous.
Any institution that allows and venerates shitheads like “Mother Teresa” is undeserving of respect.
hey so, mother teresa ran multiple orphanages and distributed food to poor in Calcutta, India.
the missionaries of charity are still currently an active order there, performing charity
Mate she was a fucking cunt.
She kept people sick and refused to give them medicine because she felt that prolonging their pain brought them closer to God.
“Suffering makes you closer to God”… Except when it’s MY suffering. Then I’m allowed to go to a real hospital and get treatment.
She was a fucking hypocrite and a sadistic person.
???
You really ought to read up on her. She was an awful person.
Brother she was forcing sick kids to reuse needles
No reason? Do you not hear about the excessive amount of sexual abuse that the church encourages through there non action or outright moving sexual predators to another area to avoid community problems.
Or their stance on safe sex, which shockingly, is not safe at all.
All to appease their magical invisible friend in the sky.
strawman
Yeah I don’t think you know what that word means.
“Lemme see why people hate my religion… Oh no, they brought up a reason why they hate my religion! I know the perfect way to counter this argument!”
So you are just a cunt.
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Lol that isn’t like a word of power that you can just throw out there and win an argument. It actually has a meaning, and this ain’t it
Calling these reasons strawman argument tells a lot about you…
Quick question: Is everything alright upstairs, brother? Like is everything okay at home?
yes, I just had some success on my garden, with a few flowers :)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Informal_fallacy
Read. Learn.
Because Lemmy is, for the most part, atheist. The reason why Catholicism seems to get more hate than any other religion is because it’s more often mentioned in media posted. And as for your “no reason” claim, you might want to read up on news regarding systemic issues with the catholic church and its hush-culture.
And you might want to read up on what the strawman-falacy is before trying to call everyone out on it. It’s not a strawman argument when people refer to specific issues or examples that answers your original question. Being able to name argumentation techniques and fallacies does not make you right.
“sky daddy” is a strawman, because youre perverting the belief to make it seem crazy
Actually, supposing that God exists somewhere above us in the clouds physically makes much more sense than God living literally everywhere at once, while also living outside of our universe, and also living as a physical person 2,000 years ago, and also living in the past, and the future all at once.
“Sky daddy” is extremely charitable all things considered.
Well, Duh, hes God. Hes not restrained to space and time
That’s what makes it more insane, not less.
omnipotence, please research it
Lol. I know what it means, I’m suggesting its more insane than a sky daddy.
It literally is crazy. What is ’god’ other than the father of everything (daddy) living in the sky?
Also, finally fucking research what a strawman is.
heaven is not “the sky” and the CREATOR and the Eternal Father, not daddy
Cannibalism of zombie wizard. And before you dismiss it away as “strawman”, please carefully explain how transubstantiation during the Eucharist is not:
- magic
- cannibalism
We can use whatever terms you like. But I will draw a hard line at consuming human flesh and calling it anything other than cannibalism. Either it literally happens and that is pretty fucking gross, or it doesn’t in which case the whole point is moot and crazy to think it does happen.
we are eating the body of Christ and drinking the blood of Christ. Not in the cannibalism way tho, and “magic”, say, is anything supernatural right? God cannot be comprehended by us, and nothing happens that is supernatural, but just out of our understanding of nature.
and Jesus wasnt a wizard. He was and is the son of God
Jesus Christ proclaimed at the last supper “this is my body, eat” because the crucifixion was nigh, and he was literally sacrificing himself for our sins so we may reap what we did not sow
Not in the cannibalism way tho
Nonsense response. What is the definition of cannibalism? Here, let me provide a link: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/cannibalism
You have not explained why eating the flesh and blood of another human is not cannibalism.
God cannot be comprehended by us, and nothing happens that is supernatural, but just out of our understanding of nature.
So does the transubstantiation happen? Does that little cracker turn into some Jesus liver pate? Does that thimble sip of wine turn into O-neg blood? According to catholic.com (a reputable source, right?), it literally happens.
and Jesus wasnt a wizard. He was and is the son of God
He wasn’t a wizard? Someone who exercises supernatural powers? You know who else was the son of a god? Hercules. He wasn’t really a wizard tho, so plus one to Jesus, I guess.
he was literally sacrificing himself for our sins so we may reap what we did not sow
For an immortal godbeing to be inconvenienced for a weekend doesn’t seem like much of a sacrifice. Let’s assume it actually happened. The whole torture, crown of thorns, spikes in the hands/feet (nevermind that wouldn’t actually pin a human to an actual crucifix), it was what? A day or two all together? If this was nearly 2000 years ago, that’s like 730,000 days ago. So let’s say five days total: 2 of the dying, 3 of being dead in a tomb (long weekend). Five days out of 730,000. Is it really a sacrifice?
No, that is not an example of a strawman argument
it is, because its making a strawman out of the beliefs and arguments of the church to make it easier to attack
Look, I will quote wikipedia for you:
straw man fallacy (sometimes written as strawman) is the informal fallacy of refuting an argument different from the one actually under discussion, while not recognizing or acknowledging the distinction.[1] One who engages in this fallacy is said to be “attacking a straw man”.
Calling somebodies god a sky daddy or invisible sky friend is not a fundamentally different thing than calling it god. It is disrespectful, but not a strawman. Nobody is questioning your belief in your god, they are just mocking it.
To give you an example of what actual strawman fallacy looks like, here is one from wikipedia again:
Another example of a strawman argument is U.S. president Richard Nixon’s 1952 “Checkers speech”.[13][14] When campaigning for vice president in 1952, Nixon was accused of having appropriated $18,000 in campaign funds for his personal use. In a televised response, based on Franklin D. Roosevelt’s Fala speech, he spoke about another gift, a dog he had been given by a supporter:[13][14]
It was a little cocker spaniel dog, in a crate he had sent all the way from Texas, black and white, spotted, and our little girl Tricia, six years old, named it Checkers. And, you know, the kids, like all kids, loved the dog, and I just want to say this right now, that, regardless of what they say about it, we are going to keep it.
This was a straw man response; his critics had never criticized the dog as a gift or suggested he return it. This argument was successful at distracting a number of people from the funds and portraying his critics as nitpicking and heartless. Nixon received an outpouring of public support and remained on the ticket. He and Eisenhower were later elected.
No it doesn’t
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It’s a metaphor. The Abrahamic god is not technically in the sky, but he has been called the almighty father and heaven has been represented to be in the clouds enough times even if technically isn’t that everyone understands what “Sky daddy” means. It’s a derogatory term, sure, that’s the point. The term being derogatory doesn’t make it a strawman though.
It’s an insult and the Abrahamic god isn’t a protected individual so whatever.
No logical reason at all?
Without going through a host of historical atrocities, modern day misdeeds and crimes, you could simply look at the global systematic and institutionalized protection of raping of little boys…for centuries. This alone would warrant the hate.
Bet you also wonder why the world hates Israel with a fiery passion too.
false equivalence, strawman
Okay. Guess you’re wondering what the big deal is about the Epstein Files?
The Catholic Church makes Epstein and all of the pedos involved look like JV league amateurs.
I’m really not sure what you expected asking this question in your post. The Catholic Church deserves every bit of hate and more than it currently receives.
I was raised Catholic. Fuck the Catholic Church
I wasnt. I discovered the Faith with Gods guidance.
and cite your sources
So you have psychosis
back to the 1800s “accuse them of insanity when they say something you didnt quite like” technique, I see?
It’s just an objective oberservation. No matter if someone tells me they have magical powers, have seen unicorns or believe in god: All of that is stupid and proves something is wrong with you.
God is real, there are a bunch of scientifically proven miracles…
Lmao, you can’t be fucking serious. Not gonna spend any more time here explaining this but will leave this
If you’re actually this naïve, try perusing the references located at the bottom of this page. However, I suspect you will discredit it in some manner. Or try to brush off the 165+ sources describing exactly what everybody else is saying here.
A bit of advice? Just accept the fact that the Catholic Church has been fucking little boys in the ass for centuries. This will make it easier for you moving forward, because this topic is absolutely common knowledge.
Neat
Mandatory George Carlin link:
“but he loves you” sends me every time xD
Hating pedophile blood cults is pretty ridiculous like the Catholics aren’t even the worst one have you seen the capitalists at least the Catholics have art
Well, what’s there not to hate about the biggest paedo ring in the world?
strawman
I don’t think you understand what that means.
You asked for reasons, I gave you one.
how is it a paedo ring?
Damn son, you’re an idiot
when you accuse the church of something, you need proof
Do you want people to show you how to use the internet?
The Pope even apologies for it…
yes, for a few cases at the diocesan level
I am switching to an upvote because this is excellent engagement with lots of people chiming in about why Catholicism sucks festering donkey dick.
True, but OP is a moron who doesn’t know the definition of “strawman” and dismisses every legitimate criticism of the catholic church as such, so there’s actually very little point to the discussion.
You might be surprised to find out that atheism is probably over-represented here on Lemmy and is probably the dominant “belief” as opposed to traditional religion.
One aspect of this is that you’ll see that religion in general is not exactly well respected among the userbase. You might just want to alter your expectations, because it’s not anti-catholicism as much as it is anti-religion in general.
Source: Am atheist. All religions are fucking stupid and holding humanity back. Sorry not sorry.
Amen brother, oops I mean … whatever.
Bad faith.
i dont just mean the church but your style of posting here.
For me; I suffered a Catholic school with undiagnosed Autism. That’ll turn anyone against it.
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the church really does need to launch probes and investigations into these “schools”
No, the responsibility for persecution lies with the state.
I can’t speak for all of Lemmy, but I am against the Catholic Church for a number of reasons. They hid child abuse for decades (centuries?) by shuffling around the offenders, essentially protecting them from any consequences. They accept donations with the explicit stated reason to perform charitable acts, but the percentage they actually spend on charity is so small it would be illegal in a lot of places if an actual non-profit did it. They hold back science. Though it’s not a requirement, many practice circumcision, which is essentially mutilating a child. I could probably keep going, but that’s enough.
they do not hold back science at all they do MULTIPLE charities in foreign countries, I have seen them with my very own eyes
and the shuffling around is at a diocesan level in the US, not the vatican
Here’s an Irish Mayor recounting how Catholic priests raped and beat him repeatedly as a child, and how the catholic church of Rome sent out a priest during the investigation into the rapes just in an effort to discredit him and call him a liar.
can you give me the timestamp when he says the catholic church sent a priest to silence him?
At this point, I am 100% positive you are sea lioning. Just to let you know, you’re not very good at it.
It’s a short video, and I found his speech pretty moving, I’d recommend watching it in its entirety.
Ooooh… multiple charities… how generous!!!
The catholic church is only estimated to be worth $2.5 trillion (and they have their own country).
To put that in perspective, that’s enough money to spend $1 every second for ~79000 years.
source? and it gives out a BUNCH of money
I didn’t say they don’t do charity, I said the percentage of their donations they actually spend on charity would be criminal for a non-profit.
The child abuse and coverup problem is absolutely not limited to the US:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_sexual_abuse_cases
Whether one thinks the church holds back science is mostly a matter of opinion. It seemed like you were asking for opinions, so I offered mine. If you were looking to debate, I’d maybe reword your original post so you don’t come across as sea lioning. The relationship between the church and science is complex, and to me, the bad outweighs the good.
well, depends on what you count as “charity”. They need to pay for the food of the charity workers, their housing, etc and actual charity, which is usually not logged or kept track of that much, no one notes down a starving childs name before giving him bread to eat
If you can commit to having an open and intellectually honest discussion about it, I promise you won’t have any logical reasons to support the catholic church afterward.
