Hello /c/Canada
You know how there’s a 2nd amendment in the U.S. on the right to bear arms? I know that it was originally meant to allow people to form militias and defend their rights should the government become an authoritarian regime and stop following the constitution.
Is there anything similar in Canada in terms of laws or rights and freedoms?
Well that blows.
We may make fun of Americans and their gun laws, but at least they have a plan B. Sometimes I feel we should have the same kind of right in Canada. The working class should have a right to bear arms and defend itself against the tyranny of the business elite class, by which the government seems to be easily influenced to work against our best interests.
No, it really doesn’t.
Gun ownership is not and should not be a right. It is a responsibility, and a serious one at that. If you want a firearm, you need to train and prove yourself safe, responsible, and justified.
US gun laws have created the US gun culture, where people will accept
hundredsTENS OF THOUSANDS of deaths a year, for ‘freedom.’Also, let’s not forget that the 2nd amendment was brought in during a time of flintlocks. They were NOT protecting one’s freedom to walk into McDonald’s with a MAC-10 down their pants.
Perhaps most telling though, is that the US is currently NOT a free state, and the ‘well-regulated militia’ has not stood up to them. In fact, there has never been a well regulated militia in the US to stand up to government tyranny, just a bunch of doomsday preppers who delude themselves into believing their arsenal is spiritually annointed by James Madison and God, in that order.
So, no. No fucking second amendment in Canada,bthank you very much.
Mind you, I’m talking about the right to form organized armed militias to defend people against a tyrannical government.
Also, there are other countries in the world, like Switzerland, where everyone has a firearm at home. Heck, Switzerland even allows the possession of semi-automatic and fully automatic weapons. Source. But, you don’t hear about gun-related problems over there because their gun culture is completely different. They are much more responsible and they understand the responsibility.
As you mentioned, in the U.S. they have a “gun culture” which completely out of whack. That’s not the objective I’m suggesting.
And as I mentioned to others in this post, there’s been talk amongst democrats and liberals about arming themselves as things are turning pretty bad down south. I think they’re trying to avoid any violent conflict if possible. Maybe they’re just staying really quiet right now so to not stir any fear. But, I think the next presidential election might be a tipping point. Depending how bad it goes, things could blow up. Or maybe not. We’ll see.
I don’t think you’ve fully thought through the consequences of what you’re suggesting.
The user who commented just above me literally just said that governments are creating laws to dictate where and how we can use our freedom of assembly.
And the free speech laws that restrict what constitutes free speech? They’re being misused and abused against people protesting against human rights abuses.
Here’s an example:
Recently in Québec, during a May day demonstration for workers’ rights, a group of people made a scene with a guillotine and papier maché look-alike of the provincial minister of labour. They did a mock execution. This scene outraged the minister and a manhunt was initiated with the police to identify who did this to arrest them and put them in jail.
There has been protests for the protection of land and the environment that have been violently repressed by police. Some of the protesters where even labelled as potential terrorists.
There are also protesters who demand action from the government against Israel and its ongoing genocide of the Palestinian people and its agression against Lebanon that have been met with violent repression for the police as well and have been labelled as anti-semite.
Meanwhile, we had literal neo-nazis, calling for the deportation or death of immigrants in Québec, and more specifically the death of Jewish people and South-Asian people, creating active clubs across the province (which were unmasked and called out by a journalist), and marching with neo-nazi flags and anti-immigration banners in Shawinigan. Yet, not a peep from the government, authorities or law enforcement. These active clubs train for combat and even have shooting ranges where they learn how use and maintain firearms. Literal hate groups with hate speech, inciting people to violence against specific groups of people. And I didn’t even talk about groups like diagolon or other far-right and manosphere podcasts.
That worries me. It means fascism is growing and running rampant and is being tolerated while people voicing their concerns over the environment, people’s basic needs and basic human rights are being repressed.
Doesn’t that worry you?
Shooting people is not the only way to express civil disobedience. In fact it’s the worst possible thing you can do.
The fact that your immediate answer to “We’re being limited in where we can assemble” is to bring a gun rather than just “Hey…let’s assemble there anyway and bring the press with us”. Says a lot about you.
There’s a thousand ways to prove your point and affect change without resorting to guns, and that’s how we like it in Canada. The American “Guns as the first and only option in all things” is psychotic.
You’re making A LOT of assumptions about me over this. Chill.
You can still own guns in Canada, just a bit longer wait times and more robust vetting process.
You should read about the indigenous direct actions that took place when some company wanted to build a golf course on Mohawk territory a few decades back.
Oh I know all about la crise d’Oka.
Plan B appears to have failed miserably. The US government is not following the constitution and nothing is being done about it.
I dunno. New rifle associations have sprung since. Like the African American Rifle Association. And there’s an increasing number of democrats who are asking themselves.
Maybe plan B is not there yet, but it’s in the making.
Maybe look into the black panther party for self defense to get some context on the “new” ideas.
Good idea!
Americans lover their guns more than their children.
Yeah but that’s a cultural issue.