As soon as 911 happened and I saw the immediate reactionary shift to authoritarian policies I figured our nation had failed. But all I can accomplish are little things, so that’s what strive for. Holding the door, treating cashiers etc with courtesy and respect, whatever small acts of kindness I can do, basically.
Oh he absolutely succeeded. 9/11 wasn’t just an attack, it was a plan. Bin Laden detailed it in his videos, he knew exactly how the US government would react. Everything has unfolded according to his plan. Better, even. The ascension of Trump was even part of that plan. Bin Laden may be in hell, but he’s smiling.
it’ll survive, the US is very malleable, but the world order is rapidly shifting so that other world powers and policies that are much more hatmful than US policy are ascending or have surpassed the United States that the US cannot halt or change anymore, especially without allies that it’s withdrawn from or attacked.
Honestly, maybe you didn’t know the country that well.
Domestic rights have been eroded steadily for decades, and the United States makes and has always made some truly awful foreign policy decisions, and it’s not like the US was founded as a paragon of virtue in the first place.
The collapse of the US has rapidly accelerated along its own course with trump’s two terms and there’s less chance to redeem themselves with how rapidly he’s tearing everything apart.
It’s a lot harder to change track when you’re screaming down the rails.
I was referring much further back in terms of the steady removal and erosion of domestic US civil rights, but if you don’t recognize the united states anymore from 20 years ago, then it sounds like you didn’t know the country that well 20-30 years ago. there are some very strong parallels occurring between then and now - oil wars, civil rights erosion, election interference, a whole recycle, although the pace has increased under trump
Almost 17 years ago, Iowa became the first state to legalize gay marriage. 14 years ago the first states legalize weed. There has been slow but growing acceptance of minorities and large parts of the US since at least the 90s.
I’m not going to sit here and pretend the US has been all sunshine and rainbows, but it hasn’t always been on a crash course. Reagan was a big turning point for US politics that has certainly degraded the overall political landscape of the US since. It’s undeniable that it’s been a hard downhill for about 10 years now, but we had relative domestic peace for many years before that.
911 was terrible but I never worried about america folding.
Under trump im seriously questioning every day how long this country will survive.
The Patriot Act and the invasion in Iraq based on nothing but lies were already the nails in the coffin for America.
As soon as 911 happened and I saw the immediate reactionary shift to authoritarian policies I figured our nation had failed. But all I can accomplish are little things, so that’s what strive for. Holding the door, treating cashiers etc with courtesy and respect, whatever small acts of kindness I can do, basically.
the goal of Osama bin Laden was to get the US into such a fucking quagmire that it would collapse by running out of money.
Sometimes I think he succeeded.
Oh he absolutely succeeded. 9/11 wasn’t just an attack, it was a plan. Bin Laden detailed it in his videos, he knew exactly how the US government would react. Everything has unfolded according to his plan. Better, even. The ascension of Trump was even part of that plan. Bin Laden may be in hell, but he’s smiling.
it’ll survive, the US is very malleable, but the world order is rapidly shifting so that other world powers and policies that are much more hatmful than US policy are ascending or have surpassed the United States that the US cannot halt or change anymore, especially without allies that it’s withdrawn from or attacked.
Sure, the lands not going anywhere but the country I knew is all but gone.
Honestly, maybe you didn’t know the country that well.
Domestic rights have been eroded steadily for decades, and the United States makes and has always made some truly awful foreign policy decisions, and it’s not like the US was founded as a paragon of virtue in the first place.
The collapse of the US has rapidly accelerated along its own course with trump’s two terms and there’s less chance to redeem themselves with how rapidly he’s tearing everything apart.
It’s a lot harder to change track when you’re screaming down the rails.
Decades? 20 years is decades. 30 years is decades. I dont know america 20-30 years ago?
I was referring much further back in terms of the steady removal and erosion of domestic US civil rights, but if you don’t recognize the united states anymore from 20 years ago, then it sounds like you didn’t know the country that well 20-30 years ago. there are some very strong parallels occurring between then and now - oil wars, civil rights erosion, election interference, a whole recycle, although the pace has increased under trump
I dont think you were paying much attention. So… theres that.
You mean you don’t believe in history?
I dont believe youre a reliable source and dont value youre opinion.
Almost 17 years ago, Iowa became the first state to legalize gay marriage. 14 years ago the first states legalize weed. There has been slow but growing acceptance of minorities and large parts of the US since at least the 90s.
I’m not going to sit here and pretend the US has been all sunshine and rainbows, but it hasn’t always been on a crash course. Reagan was a big turning point for US politics that has certainly degraded the overall political landscape of the US since. It’s undeniable that it’s been a hard downhill for about 10 years now, but we had relative domestic peace for many years before that.