Let me correct you: the innovations that are changing the planet.
Because we cannot destroy the planet. We do not have the means to destroy the planet or it’s ecosphere. No chemical agent could do it. No Carbon could.
The only think, that we might argue on is if innovation and its consequences on the climate will eventually harm humans unproportionally compared to the benefits of said innovation.
Here in the west we are in a rather privileged situation, as climate change will not affect us too much. Extreme weather events will eventually soften up, once the jet stream reestablishes its circular movement closer to the pole.
But adapting to extreme weather events shouldn’t be too hard. Maybe start building European style housing.
Now addressing other climate zones, we shall not forget that humans even exist in deserts. We are very adaptable. The means and solutions to such a life already exist. So adapting is not a matter of innovation, but education.
Saudi Arabia has proven this years in advance now.
And we should remember last, that this is the extremest of possibilities.
I take offence in being called a troll. It’s insulting. You can’t just call someone a troll with a different opinion and claim that this invalidates my argument.
This is simply wrong.
Basic research comes from universities and institutes.
But most research, Including research with application potential, comes from the privat sector.
This includes the Pharma industry, the medical industry, the chemical industry, semi conductor industry and informatics.
It is mainly driven by big companies. In constant need to outperform their competition, or not to fall behind in research and innovation.
This is a good example of the worst kind of pseudo intellectual bs that tricks the uninformed. It’s confidently wrong in so many different areas that I don’t even know where to start.
Saudi Arabia has ‘proven’ whatever it has proven through insane levels of draconian state intervention in everything, a lot of oil rents, and using imported slave labour.
I don’t think you have been reading a single one of the articles.
The first one already is a not so fitting response to m claim that European style houses are ore resilient against extreme weather events.
The first one is about how wet bulb temperatures and extreme heat work. The second one is about Europe.
Whether or not they are ‘more’ resilient doesn’t matter.
Also I don’t think you know what Europe is. Scandinavian, Central European and British houses are mostly made to keep heat in during cold winters. They’re not good for heatwaves.
Mediterranean style housing is definitely better for heat. But that doesn’t stop Italy, Spain, and France from having deadly heatwaves.
The first one is about how wet bulb temperatures and extreme heat work. The second one is about Europe.
Whether or not they are ‘more’ resilient doesn’t matter.
Yes it does matter. European housing is well insulated. And definitely sturdier than US housing.
Also I don’t think you know what Europe is.
Yea, my bad. As a German I obviously have no idea what Europe is.
Scandinavian, Central European and British houses are mostly made to keep heat in during cold winters. They’re not good for heatwaves.
This is wrong. Insulation goes both ways. In summer it helps keeping the cooler night temperatures inside.
Mediterranean style housing is definitely better for heat. But that doesn’t stop Italy, Spain, and France from having deadly heatwaves.
Mediterranean housing is not especially good against heat. Wrong assumption.
Swedes, Germans and the French are doing a much better job than the mediterranes.
Won’t dispute that European housing is sturdier. And yes insulation works both ways - however, you need good ventilation. And shading etc. AFAIK insulation optimised for heat retention is different to that optimised for keeping cool.
If you have a study or something that compares Mediterranean vs other European house designs, please send it to me and I’ll change my mind if I’m wrong.
As a German you should know that heatwaves have killed thousands of people in Germany as well.
Swedes, Germans, and French are also wealthier and have less extreme heat to deal with than Italy, Spain or Greece. You can’t attribute that to house design. Again, if you have a study comparing these, send it to me and prove me wrong.
My comparison on housing insulation is purely based on my experience. Italien housing is not much insulated. Insulation is usually driven by the need to reduce cost when heating in winter.
That’s a problem Italiens face not so much. Therefor in comparison to
Northern Europe, Italien housing is far less insulated.
And because insulation goes both ways, I came to the conclusion that Northern European housing is better suited for warm summers.
But anecdotal evidence isn’t very convincing. I’ve had the opposite experience; found being in Greek and Spanish houses during a heatwave way more tolerable than UK ones, even without AC. Idk about Germany but some older Czech houses feel like ovens when it gets too hot. Lovely for winter though.
You mean the innovation that’s destroying the planet? Ok bro.
Let me correct you: the innovations that are changing the planet.
Because we cannot destroy the planet. We do not have the means to destroy the planet or it’s ecosphere. No chemical agent could do it. No Carbon could.
The only think, that we might argue on is if innovation and its consequences on the climate will eventually harm humans unproportionally compared to the benefits of said innovation.
Here in the west we are in a rather privileged situation, as climate change will not affect us too much. Extreme weather events will eventually soften up, once the jet stream reestablishes its circular movement closer to the pole.
But adapting to extreme weather events shouldn’t be too hard. Maybe start building European style housing.
Now addressing other climate zones, we shall not forget that humans even exist in deserts. We are very adaptable. The means and solutions to such a life already exist. So adapting is not a matter of innovation, but education.
Saudi Arabia has proven this years in advance now. And we should remember last, that this is the extremest of possibilities.
Holy shit please tell me this person is just trolling us. I refuse to believe this is a real take
Anytime someone points to the Saudis as an example to follow…probably don’t need to listen to anything else they say.
I am no troll. I believe that I see the world as it is. I guess so do you.
Doesn’t matter much though. No matter what we do. We will see who is right. Luckily time passes all by itself. For now.
Yup, troll!
Move along people, nothing to see here.
In fact, I’m not sure this user even exists…
I take offence in being called a troll. It’s insulting. You can’t just call someone a troll with a different opinion and claim that this invalidates my argument.
But we’ve already seen who’s right. Most innovation comes from public universities and institutes.
This is simply wrong. Basic research comes from universities and institutes.
But most research, Including research with application potential, comes from the privat sector. This includes the Pharma industry, the medical industry, the chemical industry, semi conductor industry and informatics.
It is mainly driven by big companies. In constant need to outperform their competition, or not to fall behind in research and innovation.
Quickly testing if I go banned because some of my comments were deleted.
Edit: nope. Not banned.
(☞ﾟヮﾟ)☞ This is a community of well mannered people and good conversations.
This is a good example of the worst kind of pseudo intellectual bs that tricks the uninformed. It’s confidently wrong in so many different areas that I don’t even know where to start.
Maybe if you don’t know where to start means that you don’t know where I am actually wrong?
Let me grab a shovel for you so you can dig yourself deeper.
Dig myself deeper? I don’t understand. What are you referring to.
Come on Lemmy, how can you fall for this basic level of trolling
European style houses won’t save anyone from extreme heat
https://climate.nasa.gov/explore/ask-nasa-climate/3151/too-hot-to-handle-how-climate-change-may-make-some-places-too-hot-to-live/
Europe has had plenty of fatal heatwaves in the past.
https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/learn-about/weather/case-studies/heatwave#:~:text=More than 20%2C000 people died,Europe sweltering in August 2003.
Saudi Arabia has ‘proven’ whatever it has proven through insane levels of draconian state intervention in everything, a lot of oil rents, and using imported slave labour.
https://mideast.shisu.edu.cn/_upload/article/2f/5e/aaff7a9b4644a4b5234d6a4e6f0c/1f06bdf4-bf8b-4874-9567-d5412e350c32.pdf
https://www.hrw.org/reports/2008/saudiarabia0708/5.htm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_workers_in_Saudi_Arabia?wprov=sfla1
Hardly a model for anyone to follow.
I don’t think you have been reading a single one of the articles. The first one already is a not so fitting response to m claim that European style houses are ore resilient against extreme weather events.
The first one is about how wet bulb temperatures and extreme heat work. The second one is about Europe. Whether or not they are ‘more’ resilient doesn’t matter.
Also I don’t think you know what Europe is. Scandinavian, Central European and British houses are mostly made to keep heat in during cold winters. They’re not good for heatwaves.
Mediterranean style housing is definitely better for heat. But that doesn’t stop Italy, Spain, and France from having deadly heatwaves.
Yes it does matter. European housing is well insulated. And definitely sturdier than US housing.
Yea, my bad. As a German I obviously have no idea what Europe is.
This is wrong. Insulation goes both ways. In summer it helps keeping the cooler night temperatures inside.
Mediterranean housing is not especially good against heat. Wrong assumption. Swedes, Germans and the French are doing a much better job than the mediterranes.
Won’t dispute that European housing is sturdier. And yes insulation works both ways - however, you need good ventilation. And shading etc. AFAIK insulation optimised for heat retention is different to that optimised for keeping cool.
If you have a study or something that compares Mediterranean vs other European house designs, please send it to me and I’ll change my mind if I’m wrong.
As a German you should know that heatwaves have killed thousands of people in Germany as well.
Swedes, Germans, and French are also wealthier and have less extreme heat to deal with than Italy, Spain or Greece. You can’t attribute that to house design. Again, if you have a study comparing these, send it to me and prove me wrong.
My comparison on housing insulation is purely based on my experience. Italien housing is not much insulated. Insulation is usually driven by the need to reduce cost when heating in winter. That’s a problem Italiens face not so much. Therefor in comparison to Northern Europe, Italien housing is far less insulated. And because insulation goes both ways, I came to the conclusion that Northern European housing is better suited for warm summers.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10199188/
Found this paper ^ Haven’t read it yet though
I think you may be partly right
But anecdotal evidence isn’t very convincing. I’ve had the opposite experience; found being in Greek and Spanish houses during a heatwave way more tolerable than UK ones, even without AC. Idk about Germany but some older Czech houses feel like ovens when it gets too hot. Lovely for winter though.
European style house, 2021, Germany: https://piped.video/watch?v=Ork8a_qrw8s
A similar flood happened in 1804 in the same region. Exactly the same region.
The houses were placed in a strategically bad position.
And many had no cellars ( to reinforce the houses in the ground).