Funny how people are like “look at what steam does for Linux” and not “look at what Linux did for steam”. Steam is not good. Sure they provide a nice game launcher and storefront, but it’s a dirty capitalist business with shitty practices and kid gambling schemes
yeah, check out of great linux support was for videogames aside from quake mods before proton
Two things cam be true.
look at what steam does for Linux" and not "look at what Linux did for steam
Both are true lowk
kid gambling schemes
looks at the age tag yeah…i don’t think so. You are no better tha parents that say “GTA IS VIOLENT!! SHUT IT DOWN, MY KIDS MAY GET HURT!!”
Steamroller is a great name.
Should’ve put wheels on it to make it even better
1300 and only 16gb of ram and a GPU on par with a RTX 3060 / RX 6650 . Brutal.
Meanwhile you can walk into microcenter and pick up a 7500x3d with a 5060 for $999
5060 aint fast either, but it’s way faster than a 7600. $300 will let you upgrade easily to 32GB of ram, or you could sell the 5060 (they seem to be about 300-320 for completed fleabay listings) and take the saved $300 and buy a 9070xt or something which are $630 at MC. 4k gaming for $1300. PSU is 650W and should work fine.
$300 will let you upgrade easily to 32GB of ram
Where ya buying ya ram? I haven’t seen any 32GB packs for less than $380
It comes with 16, you only need to buy 16 more for 32.
so even if you want a matching pair it’s pretty close.
I own Minisforum HX99g and it can be compared to SM and only costed me 800 eur 2 years ago. 6900hx and 6650m with 32gb ddr5.Today refurbished can go around 600eur.
Im probably going to have to die with my 3060ti
9070xt will run circles around it for $630 or so.
There’s certainly CPU options out there for high fps gaming on ddr4 rigs, I just feel bad for the guys still on ddr3 who can’t eat the extra ~400 needed for a proper rig nowadays.
Yeah. X3D 5000-series will outrun many DDR5 CPUs in games.
I’m babying my 3090 like its the last GPU on earth. Undervolted, TDP way down, clockspeed capped, fans RUNNING.
Make sure you can get replacement fans before you abuse them
I can! It’s an EVGA FTW3.
Even if I couldn’t, it’s ducted to the side of an SFF case, so I could just disconnect them, wire the PWM lead from the GPU and use 120mm case fans.
The card rarely goes above 300W now and ingests ambient air, so the fans hardly spin up anyway.
EVGA, nice, all you needed to say haha
I wish they still made GPUs :(. Even an Intel Arc.
Hell, if they could somehow source 3090 dies, they’d make a killing selling them in this market, heh.
Does that actually shorten its lifespan? Aren’t GPUs made to run at full power without wear? (As long as they don’t overheat, but they thermal throttle before that)
Aren’t GPUs made to run at full power without wear?
That’s just textbook propaganda from hardware manufacturers.
They can say it because technically the change from cold to hot damages components… Not the actual heat… Afaik.
Also, thermal throttling tanks performance, especially in CPU’s. It causes massive hitching or even crashes.
Yknow, other than the 16GB RAM (reasonable given the situation), this aint that bad, for similar specs (Ryzen 5 7600, RX 6750 XT), I paid 1100€ at most two years ago
Of course, the rest of the components also matter, as well as the VRAM difference, but could be worse anyhow
I think 16gb of ram is fine, especially on linux
7500x3d, 5060, similar specs other wise for 1k here at MC. I don’t think 1300 is a good deal.
I’ve never eaten into more than 10GB (including OS) with games. It’s not video editing.
i didnt know that Meta started selling Linux PCS /j
Not that it’s a bad thing, but did anyone ever offer something like Bazzite before?
OEMs were waiting for SteamOS because it shifts the OS support to Valve instead of DIY, but I wonder if anyone tried before SteamOS was ready.
Iirc there’s a pre built company that offers mint, but I haven’t seen anyone offer a gaming distro.
Bazzite itself has an OS image specifically for handled PCs, and even desktop Bazzite has an option to boot into game mode basically “Big Picture mode”
They’ve had this for a while
I think he means if OEMs actually sold hardware with Bazzite on it.
I can’t see the size listed anywhere, this is just a mini itx junk box.
The steam machine from valve is just a small form factor junk box.
Seems fine for most gamers… As others have said, Steam don’t make much profit on it, and the hardware isn’t bad.
Not everyone is playing 4K titles with raytracing. And when you start considering how quickly the cost of games adds up, steam ends up cheaper fairly quickly (I can’t imagine buying 300 games on PS5 lol)
The hardware is bad. It’s a power throttled bottom of the barrel GPU and CPU. It’s a 1080p30fps machine for anything other than indies, and for most AAA gaming it will need the atrocious FSR to even get to that.
It’s not upgradable either, so it’s not like you can just swap out the GPU or CPU for a better one later.
For a machine that’s targeting the living room, where most people who might consider buying this would be wanting to use it on a big 4K TV, they’ve made the worst possible performing machine for that use case.
I’m not sure how much of a console gamer you are, or how much you keep an eye on game prices, but almost every sale on steam for games that are on consoles happens on Xbox and PlayStation too. I know because I often have to choose between buying on Xbox or Steam when there’s a sale, and the Xbox version with play anywhere is the same price as the steam one so I usually buy the Xbox one.
@[email protected] Im guessing you went back and looked at the reviews you thought proved your point and saw you were mistaken? 🤣
The steam machine does not run cyberpunk over 60fps at ultra settings lol.
Yeah but it has the Steam logo on it. That’s worth $1000 by itself
From the comparison I saw valve is only making ~$71 per device which honestly isn’t that much of a premium for a pre-built mini pc
I’m kinda surprised they don’t just sell it at cost. We knew they couldn’t subsidize the price with game sales, as anyone could buy this and install a different OS without ever buying a single steam game, but I kinda figured they’d bank on most people not doing that, hence selling at cost.
Maybe it’s just ~$71 margin for component costs to inflate further without the need for them to change the price.
It doesn’t really matter how much profit they’re making on it, it’s a bad deal because every other comparable low end pc is upgradable whereas the steam machine isn’t.
There’s just no reason for a locked-hardware low-end device like the steam machine to exist. Why would anyone want a non-upgradable PC, when the reason people play on PC is for the upgradability?
From what I can tell, the PC in the image is built in the Jonsbo D32 PRO MESH Black, which is listed as “D396×W207×H314mm”. However, the META PCs page says it’s built in the Jonsbo D32 Black, which doesn’t quite exist (the Jonsbo D32 models are PRO Black, PRO MESH Black, and STD Black). Thankfully, they are all the same size and the only differences are the side panel (mesh vs glass) and whether or not it has a moveable spine for variable spacing (PRO vs STD).
Though, the META PCs website should really be more specific in their specs list.
On the bottom of the page it says preorder: 1300 dollars
Ahh yes the standard volumetric measurement of dollars.
Bruz this is the real history that the steam machine release let loose.
Respect valve for it.
And unlike Nintendo switch, you can play games you bought 15 years ago… and use other stores or emulation
Don’t worry, I’m waiting to pay $40 of an old game Nintendo will release on the NSO. That k you Nintendo for making me pay for emulated old game again.
Yeah. I bought a bunch on my Wii. Then I got a Wii U and lost them
Wii games run on the Wii U?
I love rebuying Minecraft every time I get a new console
Don’t give Zucky your buckies
Wrong META theses are completely diffrent people
Not owned by Meta. This company actually had a legal dispute with Meta when they rebranded from Facebook: https://www.the-sun.com/tech/3983498/facebook-meta-name-trademark-battle/
It’s counterproductive to keep the name. How many consumers (like me) are going to see Meta and know anything about it? A very small number.
If I had a business called Trump Motorcycles, I would rename regardless of the history.
Why should I change my name? He’s the one who sucks.
I am good at dealing with people. Can’t you understand that? What the hell is wrong with you people!?!
A legal dispute that is evidenced by the confusion between the two already in this thread. Certainly worth fighting.
Kinda weird that it has such similar specs, I would’ve expected they’d want to do something more differentiated
The size lets them use the specs to their full potential which differentiates it in terms of performance
Thats about what i’ve been saying… 200 dollars more, and you get a vastly superior product over the steam machine…Which seeing as the steam machine is a luxury good, and not a budget concious/performance per dollar build… I’m perfectly okay with suggestion spending an extra 200 dollars for something markedly superior.
Pretty sure Valve thinks the same. They’d rather their ‘consoles’ establish a performance floor than a ceiling. They don’t want to make hardware - they don’t want to make an OS, it’s just what’s required to compete with Microsoft (who’s actively threatening them since they announced the Windows Store for Windows 8 and Xbox game pass at the time)
and that performance floor is heavily reliant on FSR.
Which is bad for everyone. We’re already seeing games that need FSR even at 1080p because of shit optimization. We don’t need this normalized and set as a standard.
It’s still more powerful than 70% of computers running Steam, so what’s your point?
People really need to learn to read more than the first sentence
We’re already seeing games that need FSR even at 1080p because of shit optimization. We don’t need this normalized and set as a standard.
I did read it. That doesn’t mean it was anything more than you throwing it in because it vaguely sounds like you’re making a point
The Steam Machine is more powerful than 70% of systems on Steam. That means that those 70% of systems already need to do the same tricks to get similar performance. Valve isn’t normalizing anything.
If anything, it’s putting more pressure on devs to optimize for lower-end systems by giving them a “standard” system to target for optimization. We saw the same thing happen with the Steam Deck
Most of us can get a vastly superior product than the Steam Machine for the cost of a Steam Machine.
Most of us, sure, but we’re not the target market, and it’ll be bulkier, it’ll require more work to set up, it’ll be louder or hotter, it’ll have to be optimised for gaming rather than games being optimised for it - it will trade all of the steam machine’s selling points for raw power.
Hey guys there’s a ram and storage prove gouching going on because of the AI bs. Hey guys here’s a pc with an open source OS re-built for 1,000$ each. Hey guys there will be a new model next year and they might even start a subscription service next year but you’ll all buy it anyways because the price point will seem better but you’ll all bitch about the subscription service…
Fuckin’ shit.
Are you high, friend? How is any of what you wrote related to SteamOS and the GabeCube?
Am now I actually wasn’t when I wrote that. I have like a fucked up first thing in the morning agitation psychosis thing and writing down bs replies makes it fun because then I do medically smoke cannabis see what I wrote and then delete it after laughing and saying fucking shit…
It’s kind of a wild ride.
Where are you seeing that Valve is planning on making SteamOS a subscription service??
I have to ask, are META PCs affiliated in any way with Zuckerberg?
Yeah, unfortunate naming if you ask me. “Meta” is just tainted by the zuck now.
just a makeshift
Look at how humanish he is.
I regret seeing this.
No, they are a completely separate company. They have a YouTube channel as well, and I find their YouTube Shorts videos quite entertaining and informative.
No. This company actually had a legal dispute with Meta when they rebranded from Facebook: https://www.the-sun.com/tech/3983498/facebook-meta-name-trademark-battle/
Wonder what percent is the chance you get it shipped with the CPU cooler plastic cover still attached
