I assume the water here is doing the work. I didn’t say anything about a closed system, just passive. Maybe that doesn’t count as passive, I don’t know physics all that well.
I do not think you’re trying to say the water “does work” in the physics sense, but to clarify, the water is just a large heat sink that has a much higher heat capacity than air. You can heat the water with air (which in turn cools the air), and that water can hold MANY times the heat (per unit mass) that the air can. Water also has a higher thermal conductivity than air. Allowing it to absorb and pass heat very well. This water is in the ground which also acts as a massive heatsink.
The air passes heat to the water which then passes the heat to the ground effectively cooling your air feed. A quick look online says current soil temp in Iran 21 inches deep is 35C or 95 F. That is your lower temperature limit. It’s physically impossible to become colder than the soil temperature (in this instance, as that is your lower temperature bound for heat transfer, in reality you wont even get there, because your driving force for heat flow is gone at that point) without putting in mechanical work (which is what a compressor does in your air conditioner) to compress your cooling fluid so that it may be evaporated repeatedly to exploit the tranfer of heat into an evaporating substance
That is the deepest depth I could find being actively tracked on the website I ended up on. I did not wanna do a deep dive into “great” average soil temp data lol. If you have a good source of data I will gladly change my comment to include the updated numbers. I wanted to say the average soil temperature at depth is ~50-55 degrees, but I hopped online to make sure that was not a number that I know to be true due to where I live. Good to know that its roughly 6 feet where it stabilizes
If you go down deep enough the earth temperature is stable at 12 C. But I’m pretty sure that’s like thousands of feet down. Geothermal rigs drill 500+ meters (1600 feet) down. Having a hard time finding a source on the stable earth temp though.
I mentioned 6 feet because it’s well below the frost line where I am, but I guess in that part of Iran they probably don’t have to worry about that.
Mostly I was just wondering if you had found something on how deep those waterways were actually built.
Yeah thats exactly the issue I ran into. I started googling stable soil temp to confirm what I thought, and rapidly ran into a lack of answers lol. Any data I could find for free on websites didn’t seem to go very deep.
In terms of depth of the Qanats, yeah I was wondering the same. Without any modern tools I’m not sure how deep they would be willing to dig out (although I bet it’s easy digging in Iran, likely sand/dry dirt vs. clay and sopping wet boggy soil).
I am at work but I’ll see if I can dredge up info on Qanat depth
I wouldn’t call it obnoxious, it’s just pointing out that they are using terms that don’t align with what they stated. If nobody ever mentioned the difference, how can they ever learn? Not saying everyone needs “taught” but it really didn’t seem malicious like you seem to believe
Passive system doesnt mean u cannot play with thermodynamic laws, understand them and then cheat them (like they did) to make your passive’s system works.
Smart vs Facility (and the scramble who go with it)
Oh sorry, i meant “the destruction” bound to the facility by you know, capitalism. Because in my imagination an complex system would need more resources than the passive one, to be made.
I love passive systems. The more passive the better.
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I assume the water here is doing the work. I didn’t say anything about a closed system, just passive. Maybe that doesn’t count as passive, I don’t know physics all that well.
The water does not perform work in this instance.
I do not think you’re trying to say the water “does work” in the physics sense, but to clarify, the water is just a large heat sink that has a much higher heat capacity than air. You can heat the water with air (which in turn cools the air), and that water can hold MANY times the heat (per unit mass) that the air can. Water also has a higher thermal conductivity than air. Allowing it to absorb and pass heat very well. This water is in the ground which also acts as a massive heatsink.
The air passes heat to the water which then passes the heat to the ground effectively cooling your air feed. A quick look online says current soil temp in Iran 21 inches deep is 35C or 95 F. That is your lower temperature limit. It’s physically impossible to become colder than the soil temperature (in this instance, as that is your lower temperature bound for heat transfer, in reality you wont even get there, because your driving force for heat flow is gone at that point) without putting in mechanical work (which is what a compressor does in your air conditioner) to compress your cooling fluid so that it may be evaporated repeatedly to exploit the tranfer of heat into an evaporating substance
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Why only 21 inches? Soil temps aren’t stable until like 6 feet down, and then it’s closer to 12 C.
That is the deepest depth I could find being actively tracked on the website I ended up on. I did not wanna do a deep dive into “great” average soil temp data lol. If you have a good source of data I will gladly change my comment to include the updated numbers. I wanted to say the average soil temperature at depth is ~50-55 degrees, but I hopped online to make sure that was not a number that I know to be true due to where I live. Good to know that its roughly 6 feet where it stabilizes
If you go down deep enough the earth temperature is stable at 12 C. But I’m pretty sure that’s like thousands of feet down. Geothermal rigs drill 500+ meters (1600 feet) down. Having a hard time finding a source on the stable earth temp though.
I mentioned 6 feet because it’s well below the frost line where I am, but I guess in that part of Iran they probably don’t have to worry about that.
Mostly I was just wondering if you had found something on how deep those waterways were actually built.
Yeah thats exactly the issue I ran into. I started googling stable soil temp to confirm what I thought, and rapidly ran into a lack of answers lol. Any data I could find for free on websites didn’t seem to go very deep.
In terms of depth of the Qanats, yeah I was wondering the same. Without any modern tools I’m not sure how deep they would be willing to dig out (although I bet it’s easy digging in Iran, likely sand/dry dirt vs. clay and sopping wet boggy soil).
I am at work but I’ll see if I can dredge up info on Qanat depth
The person that replied to you is probably being scientific-literal and obnoxious. I understood what you meant just fine. :}
I wouldn’t call it obnoxious, it’s just pointing out that they are using terms that don’t align with what they stated. If nobody ever mentioned the difference, how can they ever learn? Not saying everyone needs “taught” but it really didn’t seem malicious like you seem to believe
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These things are still there and if you aren’t an American you can go to them. They are very nice and cool inside.
Passive system doesnt mean u cannot play with thermodynamic laws, understand them and then cheat them (like they did) to make your passive’s system works.
Smart vs Facility (and the scramble who go with it)
My dude, I have no idea what you’re trying to say here.
Oh sorry, i meant “the destruction” bound to the facility by you know, capitalism. Because in my imagination an complex system would need more resources than the passive one, to be made.
Is it clear now dude ^^ ?
The wind provides the work here. Wind and air flows.