I read that half of Americans couldn’t cover an unexpected $1,000 expense. This sounds crazy to me. I understand that poverty exists, but the idea that an adult with a job doesn’t even have that amount saved up seems really strange.

What’s your relationship or philosophy with money? What do you credit for your financial success, or alternatively, what do you blame for your failures?

For the extra brave ones: how much savings do you have, and what are you planning to do with them?

  • meep_launcher@lemm.ee
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    3 months ago

    I’m digging myself out of a $13k credit card debt hole. I burned through my savings when a job that I had ended on my unexpectedly, and because it was contract work I wouldn’t qualify for benefits. They kept me around as a sub, promising me a full time position if I just stuck around long enough and I was foolish enough to believe them.

    I’m self employed now and making do with the best I can, but I’m planning on ending my dream as a musician/ teacher and moving home. I don’t know who would want my skills, but I know they are specialized and strong. I just gotta see what kind of work would value them.

  • BallsandBayonets@lemmings.world
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    I’ve got $0.85 in savings, because I put my rent and car payment money in my savings account each month until I need to pay those bills. I did at one point have $1000 saved up as a rainy day fun, but then it rained for a whole year (financially speaking). Now I don’t even have credit cards to fall back on, as those have been maxed out and gone to collections. I’m looking for a job in an industry I left because it was driving me to alcoholism (software), but that job market sucks a little more than the service industry, so I’m not optimistic.

    Oh yeah and I’d be homeless if I didn’t have family who were willing and able to loan me rent money.

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      I currently work on software in automotive. Everything seems completely insane. We have tons of process and technical debt, executives that are super out of touch and all have their own pet projects, we have hundreds of executives so we have 100 number one priority pet projects, we have a very distributed hardware/software footprint due to the affirmationed process/technical debt, each vehicle has a different hardware footprint which means we constantly have to make our distributed software work when a piece of the software needs to be rebuilt in a new controller, etc etc.

      There’s also the whole mess of trying to run agile at scale, managinga very distributed backlog, trying to balance priorities across teams that have to coordinate work, everyone leading with “how they want it” instead of “what they want”, total disregard for WIP limits, etc.

      I know where I work is a shit show. I really wonder if it’s much better elsewhere. I also wonder if this place has always been a shit show and I just have more exposure to it now.

      And yeah, alcohol. I’m trying to cut back but the mood here seems to violently oscillate between “this is OK” to “what the hell” and back again. We’re probably due for another swing soon.

      Some days I do think about going back to waiting tables. It took me years of working elsewhere to stop having the waiting weeds dreams though…

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        I know where I work is a shit show. I really wonder if it’s much better elsewhere.

        Have you seen the state of almost every piece of software nowadays?

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          Hence my wonderment, lol. I meant more organizationally, but if you’re putting out a crappy product things probably aren’t great working there.

  • givesomefucks@lemmy.world
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    It comes down to if you rent.

    If you have a fixed mortgage, shit gets easier fast. If you rent, any wage increases is often offset by rent increases.

    Less people are able to save, because they never get out of those “tough first years” of a mortgage

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      Renting is such bullshit these days. The payments they ask for rivals mortgage payments from just 15 years ago.

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        Less than that, especially in areas that used to be cheap.

        It took less than 5 years for my decent sized house on almost an acre in a middle sized city to be less than a 2/2 apartment.

        It’s fucking insane.

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      Idk it’s pricy to own a home nowadays unfortunately. I bought only last year and my mortgage payments are a bit higher per month than people seem to pay for rent on a similar type of unit. It’s not that I got a “bad deal” on the residence either. Home prices just don’t make sense nowadays.

      I will say that around 2931, rent prices in my area skyrocketed up a whopping $400-600 in one year, but they have since seemed to stabilize.

      While your fixed rate mortgage costs don’t go up every year, your property taxes, insurance, and HOA fees will. So with the above in mind, it doesn’t really seem as economical anymore to own a home.

  • thezeesystem@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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    3 months ago

    I fall between the government won’t give me SSI because I’m not disabled enough in there fucking eyes. And being disabled and can’t work.

    So financially I’m fucked and nothing I can do about it.

    Even if I had said It would only be iirc around 800 a month.

    It’s part of Amerikkka hidden eugenic programs. (Not verified but living with a disability it sure fuckin feels like it)

  • ℕ𝕖𝕞𝕠@slrpnk.net
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    The last year has been rough on my savings. The retirement savings are untouched but the general savings have been emptied by a combination of travelling for family weddings and a downturn at work. I’m not worried but I do need to make a change.

  • Sequentialsilence@lemmy.world
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    I have always strived to keep between 1-2 month’s worth of expenses in savings at all times. That small buffer has allowed me to ride out almost everything without going into debt, then when I am in debt I pay it off as quick as possible.

    The worst thing you can do is get on a payment plan, as that normalizes having debt and you end up paying thousands in interest. All interest is, is you giving your money to someone else. I like to keep my money, so if I have to live off of ramen and hot dogs for a couple months, so be it.

  • Sentient Loom@sh.itjust.works
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    3 months ago

    All my jobs have been paycheck-to-paycheck until about 3 years ago. My last job allowed me to save up $24k, but then I lost my job. Now I’m down to $7k and getting worried.

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    After school I had one week of cash left when I got my first job. I moved to a tiny town to work in the mining industry. Pay to cost of living is very good. I’ve always been careful with money and dislike shopping.

    I save about 50% annual income. This is piled up in various investments. I can retire before 40.

    I have about 1 year worth of expenses in cash I can access tomorrow. I try to keep at least 3 months but I’m squirreling away extra for known upcoming expenses.

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    Maybe it helps to understand it when you think of it from the perspective that those $1000 expenses do happen, they’re not just hypothetical. But being able to cope with an event like that leaves you less able to handle a second one, and a third one

    Couple that with the fact that I’m the US there is very little financial education so what might be an expected event for one person surprises another. Imagine living with a roommate and not realizing that to move into your own place involves coming up with first and last month rent, deposit, hook up fees, renters insurance, furniture, kitchen supplies, toiletries, etc… None of those should be unexpected, but also why would you expect them if you didn’t happen to run into them before?

    Basically no amount of saving accounts for an expense that takes it all, and it’s then followed up by another one right after. And for some people those events are small and happen so quickly you never catch up and now you have late fees and interest and stress.

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    Since I left college and started out into the “adult world”, I’ve always spent less than I made, the rest going to savings or investments toward retirement. I accomplish this by “paying myself first”. If I have already saved the money as my first priority, I can’t spend it on things like rent or groceries. So my financial choices are forced to be more conservative by design.

    Example: I forget what the max limit to IRAs were at the time (say $5k/yr) but for my first job I set up auto contributions each month and mentally took a $5k/yr salary “cut” for that job. Every time I got a raise, I made sure that at least a portion of that raise went to increasing my savings rate and attempted to avoid lifestyle creep.

    Thanks to my savings, I’ve been able to handle some emergencies in cash vs having to utilize debt to cover the expenses. It really is a snowball. I started out small, now my savings is significant compared to my income.

    I attribute a lot of my “pay yourself first” approach to reading The Automatic Millionaire, Expanded and Updated: A Powerful One-Step Plan to Live and Finish Rich early on.

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    3 months ago

    My wife and I are comfortable. Both of our parents have worked in banking and taught us budgeting beyond what school taught us.

    Keeping a steady well paying job is key. Sadly, there are so many people who no fault of their own can’t get well paying jobs or live in areas where well paying jobs are rare.

  • OceanSoap@lemmy.ml
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    I can currently cover a $1000 expense, but if something else happens that costs that much I’ll have to use my credit card, and if a third thing happens I’m fucked.

    My relationship with money isn’t good (“not wise” might be a better term), and now that I know my parents as an adult, I understand that both of them are terrible with money. Do I blame them? I try not to, but sometimes that’s hard when I see how they continue to make poor $$ choices. My mom constantly made over 6 figures for a good portion of her later life, but now can’t work, and she has nothing but social security to live off of. Through the years she’s used up all her retirement and savings a few times on things like saving houses she eventually loses anyway.

    My dad just dropped the news that he owes 80k to the IRS because he’s been pulling from his retirement for years now to sustain his lifestyle in a high-cost area.

    Myself? I didn’t really get my shit together financially until I was in my mid 30s. Mostly my fault, though there were a few things that happened outside of my control that forced me to “start over” financially. That’s life.

    My relationship with money now is respectful. I take the time and care to slowly work my way through understanding what to do and how to do it. I only have one credit card and it’s a low amount, so it can’t get wildly out of control but it’s there if I need it.

    Right now I’ve got around 1.5k in savings (not including my 401/Roth). My plan is to save up to 10k for an emergency fund and then start to invest what I save up after that.

    I listen to a lot of Caleb Hammer on YouTube. It helps, haha.

    • Wes4Humanity@lemm.ee
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      3 months ago

      Same… Except my parents were teachers, so we were poor, because society is crap and doesn’t pay teachers what they should be getting paid

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        My mom was a speech therapist in schools and my dad was an aerospace engineer. Theoretically they should have a very cushy retirement life. Nope.

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    It’s not remotely crazy, and I have lived there. I had times where I foraged for berries and plants for food, and was lucky enough to know how and where to do so. That was a long time ago, before wages stagnated and inflation went bananas. I’m surprised more people aren’t starving to death today, just looking at the numbers.

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        Look up prices for housing, food, etc. in your area and compare that to full time at minimum wage. Then consider a lot of companies only hire part-time and not full time. Then consider minimum wage is still the federal $7.25 in a lot of the country. See how that math looks.

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    I get job contracts for a few months at a time. Sometimes there are months when I’m unemployed, and those are hard on my savings. I used to do just fine, but this year has been very difficult and my normal savings are pretty much gone. (I still got some in funds/investments though.) So basically, I had a buffer but I had to use it, and now I have nothing. I guess it’s because of the rise in prices? I don’t “waste” money on frivolous things like I might have in the past, but it’s only getting more and more difficult. Add to this student loans. I wouldn’t have €1000 to spare for an unexpected expense. I am really angry at society, to be honest. If the job market wasn’t so ass, I wouldn’t have to deal with these short contracts.