Russia’s war in Ukraine is already in its 17th month. In that time, President Vladimir Putin has clearly demonstrated that he is not bothered by losses — whether they be financial, material, or human. His war will go on as long as he needs. And, judging by how the authorities have woven the so-called “special military operation” into Russian life, that will be a long time.
Same with US/NATO.
If Russia didn’t want more of their neighbors to be NATO allies, maybe they should stop giving their neighbors reason to join.
NATO exists to solve the problems created by NATO’s existence. The reasons for joining NATO are to funnel money to America’s military contractors Nothing else.
Don’t forget to have a place to put nazis after ww2
Finally I see someone else talking more about this!
What does this have to do with the Ukraine war? It was the U.S. that did that.
Who has spent the most on this conflict? Hint: it’s not Russia; it’s not even Ukraine; nor is it any European country or…any other country. The USA has spent more on this conflict than any other country, including Russia. Who platformed Nazis, embedded them into the military complex, and helped put them in positions of power within NATO? You guessed it, the USA. Do you think the USA is some independent third party observer here?
Nah, NATO is definitely not weak. Russia showed the world they are weak. So much for Russian military might.
The list of NATO’s wunderwaffen game changers that failed continues to grow:
The only thing on the horizon is NATO preparing for a final scream of agony, a final war to end wars, considering now all of NATO media is suspiciously quiet over USA sending banned cluster bombs to Ukraine. This only sets a precedent for the other banned weapon - nuclear.
NATO is an offensive paper tiger organisation with the might of a little pupper, and will collapse quickly without nuclear weapons if Russia and China and/or India joined forces. Feelings do not decide war outcomes. Optimal strategy does.
So far Russia’s strategy has been terrible. And you just said if Russia and China or India join forces. So you admit Russia is failing? NATO is far more powerful than Russia. Hell, individual countries in NATO are far more powerful than Russia. The only thing Russia has going for it is the threat of nukes. You are also jumping to some weird as theories. NATO is not going to drop any nukes first. Regardless whether you think cluster bombs are somehow similar to nukes. You’re just talking out of your ass with moronic metaphors.
I never admitted anywhere Russia is failing even in the tiniest sliver amounts. My assumption of Russia’s allies teaming up is in response to NATO countries themselves ganging up on Russia as the next step, since NATO’s weapons via their Ukraine proxy war have utterly and completely failed to the point a banned weapon like cluster bomb was sent by USA.
NATO is desperate and will pull any stops before they let their empire collapse beyond recovery for the next millenia and beyond. Cluster bombs is first, NATO countries themselves attempting invasion is second and nukes follow that. NATO (and US’ Dick Cheney) have made it clear on occasions their goal is to Balkanise Russia.
You just said they really don’t have a chance without some weird conglomeration of the other countries. So yeah you did. Also Russia is the invader. You call it a proxy war and at this point it has turned into one. But it’s 100% on Russia. Russia is weak. Everyone thought Russia was the big guy on the field and it turns out they’re not. China may be although they haven’t fought a war in a long time so who knows what they can actually do. But it’s very evident now that Russia was not nearly as strong as everyone thought they were.
If Russia was weak, NATO would not be masturbating itself over Wagner Group under Prigozhin claiming to assassinate Putin. This is how weak NATO is, relying on enemy to kill themself, because they have zero capabilities. NATO is just a tiger at their home, outside of their home they become a little chihuahua pupper.
lol no, Russia is just plain weak. They just have nukes. They have a nuclear deterrent. That’s it. They’re weak. You can do whatever mental gymnastics you need to to keep convincing yourself but in the end Russia is weak.
You can keep inventing rational to delude yourself. It will not change reality. Anglos were never strong, which is why they needed the help of Russia and China to get rid of Hitler, and why is why west countries will now face their worst times after being unable to plunder and exploit others for centuries.
Tankie cringe
How to say you’re a NAFO shill without saying you’re a NATO shill.
Correct. I’ll happily shill for the defensive alliance formed to ward off (the currently on display) Russian aggression. NATO would not exist if Russia weren’t so nakedly attempting to rebuild the Soviet Union by force, an alliance that had already been litigated and abandoned by the smaller nations Russia pillaged for resources, this time without even pretending to be for the workers.
Edit: no amount of tankie brigading will convince me that Russia isn’t the aggressor in the region. Imagine the brainrot required to think that the military that invaded Ukraine and is still currently there is the good team.
If you truly think this is a display of Russian aggression I genuinely doubt that you have any historic view on the geopolitics of the region. The conflict did not appear out of thin air in 2022. The situation is more complex than “Russian aggression”; in fact that’s not even a part of the picture. Russia is responding to requests for assistance after Ukraine began bombing its own people in 2014. Many of these people voted to join Russia after this disgusting display by Ukraine. Before 2022 most of the combatants against Ukraine were regular people fighting for their homes and families. These people realize that Ukraine wants to bomb their homes and Russia is offering to fight alongside them. On the weekend before the SMO began, there were 2000 ceasefire violations in the Donbass. Between 2014 and 2022, 1 million Ukrainians immigrated to Russia because of the abuse by the Ukrainian government. And since the operation began in 2022, another 1.3 million immigrated. The people in these territories that Ukraine has zero regard for view the support they are receiving from Russia positively: they invited Russia in to assist them, and they are somewhat reliant on Russia to protect them from Ukraine.
I know life is a lot easier when you don’t muddy things with context. I know that it’s a lot easier to be righteous in your condemnation of a world power because they’re “evil” and an “aggressor” than it is to acknowledge that the situation is more complex. I know that it’s a lot easier to go along with what Western media says than to be informed and hold your own opinions. I know it feels nice to rally with everyone against a perceived enemy. I know it feels nice to feel that your country (and military) is finally doing something good for once. But you can’t let wanting to feel good stand in the way of reality. The Western media has done a hell of a job propagandizing this war, attempting to remove any historical and geopolitical context, in order to gather and maintain support. Think honestly: how much historical and geopolitical context have you seen, especially from popular media sources? How much more effort is spent on raging about current “evil deeds” than understanding the desires of the people in the actual territories that have asked Russia for help?
Please read, and inform yourself. Life is less black-and-white than “Russia evil”.
Gee, i wonder what happened in 2014 to make Ukrainians start shelling parts of the donbas?
Could it be a land invasion by a neighboring country?
No, they must be Nazis, the extremely trustworthy people in the Kremlin say so…
I will copy paste this comment from Hexbear that explains how we reached that situation, because I believe it will be useful here for context:
In defiance of the Ukrainian Parliament and the majority will of ukrainian people. and it wasn’t a coup. a coup is “a sudden, violent, and unlawful seizure of power from a government.” Yanukovych was removed after losing the confidence of both the people and his party through legal processes already afforded to the Ukrainian legislatured. Enough of his party defected to the opposition to the point where he no longer commanded a majority.
Not economic warefare, a trade agreement which the Ukrainian parliament voted for. Russia had the option of cancelling it’s own trade deal with Ukraine if it did not approve of Ukraines trade deal with Europe. The choice of who Ukraine creates trade deals with entirely rests with Ukraine.
The Maiden protests also were about a lot more that just a trade deal with europe. The protesters also took issue with the endemic corruption and the growing oligopoly like the one in Russia.
The Russian language was not, nor has it ever been, banned. The Ukrainian parliament attempted to repeal a law that granted minority languages such as Russian regional status but it was vetoed by the then president of Ukraine. It’s wasn’t until 2018 that the law was deemed to be unconstitutional but even then, the Russian language was not banned
The Minsk agreements were signed under duress AFTER Russia invaded their neighbor, seizing Crimea and kicking off a civil war in Donbas. The war in Donbas is entirely down to Russia.
I see no reason why it shouldnt have been, Crimea is part of Ukraine and has been since the dissolution of the USSR.
If i kept being invaded by a neighboring country i would want to militarize too
You’re in a thread that’s showed you that NATO was a place to give jobs to high ranking Nazis. It’s the world’s most aggressive military alliance that Russia is defending itself from.
Lmfao “defending itself.” Where’s the Russian military right now pal? I, too, defend my home by attacking my neighbors.
Are your neighbours putting a nuclear missile in their yard and pointing it at your house, and you’re doing nothing?
Russia does basically this to the U.S. with its subs and it’s a reality Americans are forced to deal with every day, so yes, Russia is the clear aggressor here.
And the 700+ US military bases around the world mean nothing.
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