Should be noted that in Norway it is not just for war, but rather any emergency like natural disasters or someone takes out critical infrastructure in a digital attack etc.
You can see all the information that is sent out here: https://www.sikkerhverdag.no/en/
Same in sweden!
And as expected, Finland
Should be noted that in Norway it is not just for war, but rather any emergency like natural disasters or someone takes out critical infrastructure in a digital attack etc.
A digital attack would be an act of war, though, so…
No, digital attacks happen all the time, nobody will go to war over it.
Example of only one type of attack in real time: https://www.digitalattackmap.com/#anim=1&color=0&country=ALL&list=0&time=18763&view=map
terabits per second, sustained…
Yikes!
Not necessarily.
It could be something as simple as “oops, someone downloaded a file they shouldn’t have, and now all the systems of the power grid in a quarter of the country has been encrypted by ransomware”
If the July 19th Crowdstrike incident had affected Linux rather than Windows, the impact would have been orders of magnitude worse.
People have so little awareness of how fragile the systems we rely on are - it’s not a matter of “if” - it’s a matter of “when” we’ll see a widespread incident that goes well beyond a mild inconvenience for most.
Norway also advises residents to stock up on essential medicines – including iodine tablets, in case of a nuclear incident – and, like Sweden, recommends that people have several bank cards and keep a ready supply of cash at home.
Iodine is something that’s hard to get in modern diets, which is why salt is iodized.
Our body uses it in our thyroid, and atomic weapons send out a shit ton of fallout. A significant amount is radioactive iodine, which is going to be hanging around for a while.
If your body picks it up, you now have a radioactive element accumulating in your throat, which is a pretty bad place to store a radioactive mass.
If you don’t have iodine tablet, eat a crazy amount of iodized salt. You want to make sure if your body runs into radioactive iodine, it’s already full up and can’t hold anymore.
Wonder if there’s a way to extract the iodine to avoid getting high blood pressure from eating fistfuls of salt
You could just buy iodine tablets now…
But the high blood pressure from salt might kill you decades later.
A radioactive thyroid would make you wish for death as your lower jaw rots away and eventually falls off.
Don’t half ass it because of a fear of heart disease. A large dose kills cells in your thyroid (still terrible) a moderate dose wouldn’t kill the cells but almost guarantee rapid onset cancer.
It’s why the tablets aren’t “enough that your body needs” they’re “a literal insane amount”. Like take your daily requirement times 3-5 years level of crazy.
Also, I’m pretty sure they have an expiration date. If it’s life or death, I would not trust them very far past that date. I don’t think they’d be harmful, just less effective.
Iodine like salt is a mineral. It won’t ever “go bad” but the USDA requires that you put expiration dates on consumables.
I have several packets of iodine pills they don’t cost much and I keep them with my bug out bag.
Which formulation of iodine is the one to get?
Here are the pills.
I also have a few vials of liquid iodine. But it is harder to dose properly.
Unless you are directly in the path of very recent fall out (within 8 days) as an adult those pills probably won’t do much for you. By the time you start seeing the effects of radiation you’ll be in your 70s.
If you have to ration iodine pills prioritize kids and teenagers and young adults. They would live long enough after the event to deal with cancer and its affects.
You can expect KI to expire like NaCl does.
The filler might be not ok after a long amount of time, but the KI will be and that’s what saves your thyroid.
Here’s some info regarding dosage:What does potassium iodide decay into? It’s not an organic compound.
Iodide ion, as present in KI, does not decay. Period. It’s that ion that your body requires. The tablets would serve their purpose for long after they are purchased.
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I don’t know, I’m not any kind of chemist. I trust the actual chemists to tell me how long the pills will be trustworthy.
As a chemist, I will go ahead and inform you confidently that Potassium Iodide in a dry place will outlast you by a significant margin. It’s very chemically stable.
What’s the date for, then?
Idiodin itself can’t get “bad” in any way. The carrier material might go bad, but that’s also just starches and a few mineral compounds. At worst, you get powder instead of a pill.
The expiration dates on medication are intentionally extremely conservative.
Fascist dictators on a war path hate this one weird trick!
If you have enough radiation to ever need iodine tablets, there’s probably a hundred other reasons that threaten your livelihood.
That’s not true at all. Fallout can be carried by wind over very long distances. And even a small amount of radioactive iodine accumulative in the body can be an issue.
It’s more the fact that a war situation where nuclear weapons are used so frequently that the average person will need tablets will also see shortages of food, water and created large flows of refugees.
Basically every bit of modern infrastructure would collapse, which would be far more impactful and urgent than iodine pills.
Again, you have it wrong.
where nuclear weapons are used so frequently that the average person will need tablets
All it takes is one nuke to go off and winds to carry the fallout to relatively stable countries far away.
But let’s say that you are dealing with some level of societal collapse from nuclear war. You still need iodine. Without it, it won’t matter if you secure food, water, and shelter, because you’ll get some aggressive cancer and die anyways.
Regardless of the specifics, iodine is important.
I think they are saying the odds are low that it will be just one nuke. More likely none, several, or a lot than just one.
Here are the recommended dosages for potassium iodide tablets from the New York State government website.
https://www.health.ny.gov/environmental/radiological/potassium_iodide/information_for_the_public.htm
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Governments are preparing for war because they want one. Cut the military budget to 0 and drive off lunatic politicians before it’s to late.
Unfortunately a strong military is necessary to maintain peace
It might sound contradictory at first but you should consider that people will always disagree. And if you and your neighboring country disagree and they have 20x more military power than you, they might be inclined to use force to solve your differences
The only thing that allows you to have a civil and diplomatic discussion is the assurance that war is the worst of the options. As we see today, strong military nations are not afraid to abuse weaker military powers.
I understand the hate towards the production of weapons, and I’m with you. But defunding the military is a simplistic, utopian argument that unfortunately would not work in the present time
I’ve never seen a more polite and constructive way to call someone a naive idiot ;)
Unfortunately a strong military is necessary to maintain peace
Peace is maintain by seeking peace and avoid conflict not by spending billions of dollars in weapons that in most cases are designed to attack and kill other people.
they might be inclined to use force to solve your differences
And that’s why you want to cut the military budget to 0 so that there’s no leverage to use force against others. According to your logic people will always disagree? So ban nukes and weapons before everyone kill each others, putting a gun in everyone hands is going to lead to a bloodbath not to peace.
As we see today, strong military nations are not afraid to abuse weaker military powers.
Again cut the military budget to 0 so that your nation doesn’t abuse weaker military powers.
I understand the hate towards the production of weapons, and I’m with you. But defunding the military is a simplistic, utopian argument that unfortunately would not work in the present time
You sound like you are making an apology to war and authoritarian nations. You are not with me and you are not with the human race, you are against it. What’s utopian is to believe that you can achieve peace by spending Trillions of dollars in war. What’s simplistic is to believe that you can’t do without a government tossing billions of public money into military weapons.
Brother, I respect your principles but you’re not understanding the issue with having no military.
First you would have to convince all countries in the world to cut all military budgets. Including convincing countries that would suffer economically from the extinction of the arms industry.
And once all countries have 0 military, there is an incentive for aggressive leaders to produce weapons since it would be easy to win a war against an unarmed country
Disarming a country is an impossible mission because it only works if the entire world agrees to it, and because it makes everyone vulnerable once someone decides to break the agreement.
I hope you can see it clearly now. Unless you have a proposal that fixes the two points above, your 0 military plan would not work
I’m happy to discuss more if you’d like
Including convincing countries that would suffer economically from the extinction of the arms industry.
This highlight that you are thinking only according to how the system currently work (or how you are told it works). No country would actually suffer economically if they cut off the arms industry because they can use the money and resources for something else.
Countries are populated by people and humans can defend themself even without stealth planes or nuclear submarines. It’s the government that needs asset to exercise their power be it machines or people.
Sorry but you don’t understand how this works.
It doesn’t make sense when you say:
they can use the money and resources for something else.
For example. The US arms industry exports were worth 238 Billion $ in 2023. That means that the arms industry brought 238 billion from outside the US to inside the economy
Because the money is coming from outside. If the industry stops, the US will lose this money.
You are putting your convictions above logic. It doesn’t matter how hard you believe in something, if it is not practical it won’t work.
If your suggestions really make sense you should be able to convince at least a few people. But look at the responses you’re getting. How can you convince all the world leaders to change if you can’t convince a few people in the comments?
At some point you have to consider that you might be in the wrong. Admitting your mistakes makes you a better person and allows you to grow in character. I kindly ask you to consider that.
My guy, I’m going to finish this conversation here. I hope this was useful. Cheers!
The US spend a trillion on war each year
Did you even read what I wrote? Are you willfully ignoring the points that I made? God, how do you expect to get anywhere like this 🤦♂️
I’m very curious as to what your suggested course of action would be if you were to “cut the military budget to 0”, and then another nation with a strong military uses their military to abuse or murder the citizens of your nation because they disagree with your nation in some way…
You don’t need military budget to defend yourself. Governments need military budget to gain power and attack others.
Sorry: I’d mistaken you for a person using considered-reasoning.
Ideology doesn’t reason.
Its symbols are comforting substitutes for reason, & they’re enough, for it, right?
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If your country has zero weapons and my country has some weapons, what’s your plan for stopping your country becoming an extension of mine, and your culture, language and history becoming lost forever?
Countries are invisible lines on the map to begin with. There are many ways to defend yourself that don’t involve spending billions of pubic money into military assets such as aircarriers or stealth planes.
Just make peace, it’s easy, just tell the invaders no, they will respect that and see the error of their ways.
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You doubled down. 🤣
"people take anti-cancer drugs because they want war-with-cancer:
simply by stopping all war-with-cancer, & stopping all the anti-cancer-drugs,
then everybody won’t having malignant-tumors killing them!"
False reasoning.
WHEN there are truly-rabid people with armies,
THEN defense is a SANE investment, if the truly-rabid could affect one’s country’s life.
Lethal-self-defense is exercised within your body by your own immune-system, all the time.
Whatever health you’ve got, it’s because of that!
Countries are the same as individual-organisms, in terms of being killable-by-pathogens & killable-by-cancer.
Destroy both, & live healthy.
You CANNOT give your body to pathogens/cancer & be healthy: that’s just delusion.
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Don’t forget the postcard to Russia inviting them over for tea
You chickenhawks are always so loud and self-righteous, until someone wants to force you or your kid to actually go fight in the war.
On the contrary, I would rather NOT go to war. You know what’s the best way to get that to happen? Have a strong enough military that bullies like Putin and Xinnie will think very very carefully before launching a ‘special military operation’ into your country.
You know what’s the best way to get that to happen? Have a strong enough military
History, at least in the US, does not support your position on this. Hell, the US has rebranded what war means so we can get involved in even more foreign conflicts and kill more civilians. (“Enemy combatant” and “peacekeeping actions”)
At one point under Obama and Trump the US was at war in seven different countries. (Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Libya, Pakistan, Somalia, and Yemen.)
And people call it a bad thing that Trump got us out of Syria and Afghanistan, lol.
Our military is not a tool of peace. It’s a weapon for corporate interests to brandish throughout the world.
Oversimplification:
Actually, it’s both, at different times, in different places, sure, but it isn’t just-1 or just-the-other.
Never has been.
Politics has ALWAYS been this way, through millenia.
Read Sunzi ( formerly Sun Tzu, aka Master Sun ), about how the supreme general never has to get into battle,
simply because the entire region’s too busy prospering, for anybody to be digging-into battle…
As machiavellian as some of that book is, that final principle’s right right right.
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Don’t forget the postcard to Russia inviting them over for tea
You must have confused me for a german politician
Its almost like the west tried to be cordial with Russia before Russia decided to be an expansionist imperialistic power…
Both west and russia are exmpansionist imperialistic powers
There is no “both sides” here. Russia invaded Ukraine, repeatedly since 2014, salami slicing it. It interfered in elections. It killed multiple people on foreign soil, using highly dangerous, banded methods, that could easily have killed many others than the target. Putin has completely destroyed any democracy in Russia and murders his opponents.
Both west and russia are exmpansionist imperialistic powers
This is a fact and has nothing to do with sides or teams. Both the west and russia are exmpansionist imperialistic powers
Countries joining NATO to get protection from Russia, or the EU, to get trade deals, is not remotely the same as Russia invading Ukraine in bloody war. Or any of the murderous shit Putin has done.
Which sovereign nations have the west invaded recently?
RB probably also isn’t aware that the US has been helping Saudi Arabia starve and brutalize Yemen for the last eight years too.
One of the reasons why I’m anti-war is that history has shown the US to be the bad guys more often than not.
That pic is obviously of a much younger Putin and Merkle.
More recently you have this instead … https://tenor.com/en-CA/view/merkel-putin-eyeroll-gif-9164919
Or maybe that where he put Merkel with her fear of dogs into this situation
There’s some truth to this. One does need a military, but you don’t need one that costs 2T a year. Canada and Mexico, combined, spend around 35 billion a year on war material, and both have universal health care.
I’m Canuck, so this issue is of central concern for us, ongoingly…
The reason we’re able to spend so-little on military, per GDP,
is because of the excessive expenditure by the US.
Pretending that these expenditures are “independent” of the US’s expenditure, is intellectually-dishonest.
I’m not saying that was your intent, I’m saying that’s what the result misrepresentation is…
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Wow. A new account with a history of negative posts. Color me shocked.
I mean, look at the username.
Without looking at posters history, he is kinda right (about the gas guzzling, not fear mongering)
EU had years to start to diversify/start goverment run energy supply from a) polluting and b) “come on, look what laws they were implementing at home” Russia.
Could have put two and two together and realise that funding Putin might not be the best idea…
But no, let’s just keep buying things from obvious dictators…
This, above-me, is more important than its score is indicating:
“unconscious at the wheel” is humankind’s default “governing”, evidence now proves.
NOBODY’s been doing proper dimensions-by-dimensions orthogonal-sets of scenario-planning,
& that means nobody’s got actual strategy.
Just moderating the status-quo isn’t strategy, it is committee-negotiating.
There are people who played the Risk boardgame…
having a MMPORPG ( or whatever the hell they’re called ) with the correct divided-by-dimensions representation of our world,
& using it for scenario-planning, could really put a dent in the wildcard-dictator-sadists of this world’s plans!
Simply by discovering their leverages, & systematically-extinguishing them, more-moderate-path could be enforced, strategically…
Mind you, it’d also discover our weaknesses, which we’ve ignored-too-long, & … to great political-difficulty … suddenly now have to be dealing with, of course…
but better to have a shored-up immune-system ( at the national level ) before a pandemic hits, than to have a rotted-out one in the same pandemic, isn’t it?
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