Too many people are confusing the two. Whenever lemmy.ml or its devs do something stupid, people go “Lemmy is getting worse and worse,” or “I’m leaving Lemmy,” or worse, “I’m leaving for Beehaw.”
If you’re using Beehaw, then you’re using Lemmy. Lemmy is the software these instances run on. If you don’t like lemmy.ml, join another instances that have rules that match your philosophy. Some instance hosts authoritarian or fascist shit? Turn to another Lemmy instance. Lemmy.ml is not even the biggest instance. People who just joined and are unfamiliar with the platform will just think the entire Lemmyverse is run by autocratic admins if we don’t get our terminology right.
I use “tankie” to refer to the type of people that claim to be Marxist but are actually just anti-West, like the ones that support Russia’s love of genocide simply because Russia is opposing the western world. I’d love to have conversations with actual Marxists, I’ve just become increasingly less sure that they exist.
Honestly a lot of Marxism would absolutely have a lot of criticism of NATO, US, the “west” how they have handled the situation and got us here in the first place. But that doesn’t give Russia a pass for invading a sovereign nation.
Under Marxism this is basically a bullshit neoliberal capitalist power structure vs an oligarchic Imperialist POS.
I don’t know any Marxists that support ‘Russias love of genocide’. That’s crazy. I do know people that question the narrative of the proxy war in Ukraine and are critical of NATO since Yugoslavia and Libya were destroyed by NATO. But nobody supports Putin’s war. They understand it was in reaction to Nazi activity in Donbass and threats of NATO staging advanced missile tech in Ukraine, but mention this and you get labeled ‘tankie’ and see your comments deleted…
Read the comment you’re replying to carefully. He’s not referring to Marxists. He’s referring to pro Russian warmongers / anti wests trolls that wrap themselves in Marxism flag.
Sure, but the thing is if you say anything about the context of the war in Ukraine that doesn’t toe the G7 party line, you get called a Tankie and your comments get deleted. On Lemmy grad I haven’t seen a single post saying they are "pro Russian’ or 'support genocide in Russia ’ but we get labeled as having those opinions. It’s a strawman argument. And it’s used by liberals and capitalists to shut down actual dialogue.
That’s because that’s just Russian propaganda used to justify doing imperialism and conquering Ukraine.
If Russia wanted to ‘conquor’ Ukraine they would have done what the US did to Iraq: shock and awe, destroy Kiev’s water electric and sewage infrastructure etc…Talking about the historical context of the conflict is not propaganda. But there is definitely a ton of propaganda coming from western countries though. Just like before the Iraq war, everyone believed WMD. The propaganda machine in the west is amazeballs.
Wonderful revisionist history you have there. Russia blindly believed they could roll over Ukraine and seize the country in threeweeks, (Russia’s words not mine). They didn’t do a “shock and awe” destruction raid at first because they wanted to steal the land in tact and re-add it to the Russian “empire” that Putlin wants to rebuild. Putin knows he doesn’t have much time left and he wants to rebuild the glorious USSR before he dies. He has made moves towards that for the last 10 years. So far his only real success is the puppet state of Belarus. If it was really about Nazi’s this was the stupidest police action in modern history.
Lmao which proxy war? It’s Russia committing to a full scale invasion of Ukraine and losing. That’s like calling WW2 a proxy war because the soviet union received critical amounts of US aid.
That’s interenting that you don’t recognize this as a proxy war. Even Blinken admits that… Make no mistake, the US knew Russia would invade if they moved forward with NATO. They wanted it to happen. Look who wins. US natural gas sales to Germany at twice the cost, pipeline blown up, Lockheed and Raytheon stock through the roof. But these my friend are facts you will quickly disavow because the propaganda machine so powerful. Just ask yourself cui bono in all of these conflicts that’s the key.