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It’s not that I hate 3d effects, but I’ll avoid them if I can, for a variety of reasons.

As other people have said - I wear glasses, I having to put the glasses over my own glasses just makes it difficult. They don’t stay on and I have to hold them, it makes the image askew, it’s uncomfortable on my nose and ears when it does “fit”. They really should come up with a more inclusive way to watch these as a good portion of the population wears glasses.

For another, I suffer from migraines and 3d effects not done well tend to trigger them, and I already have enough triggers that I can’t avoid.

A strange one needs a little bit of backstory - I was never great a sports as a kid, could never quite catch a pop-up or hit a fast ball, but I was great at throwing or other aspects. People wrote it off as just “unathletic” and I went on to live my life as a weird nerdy kid despite the rest of my family being athletic. Fast forward to my adult life when I was put on a very strong medication and needed a very thorough eye exam and a result to set a baseline to make sure the medication doesn’t end up damaging my retinas (thorough to the point that the exam was 5 hours and I had tests done I’d never seen it heard of before).
It turns out my eyes/brain only interpret half the depth perception of the average person. So what I’m seeing during a 3d movie is not what’s meant to be seen. And since this is not an eye exam that would be regularly given - who knows if it people that are complaining about the movies have the same issue I do? Cartoon-y 3d (like Disney world/theme Park things) is fine for me, but things like Avatar just give me migraines.

… What I said was the completion of the AI’s comment about giraffes wearing coats… Which I found very funny

While this might seem unusual or unexpected, this is common practice in the case of giraffes raised in captivity.

If I remember correctly about this incident, it wasn’t only that the school was warned about the child’s behavior from previous incidents and from earlier that day and it had been ignored, as you have already received a comment about, but I believe the mother also called the school to tell them her gun was missing and she believed the child had it and they didn’t do a thorough enough search for it - I believe they only looked in his backpack and not in his desk or jacket, etc.

Although the claim is that this is being done because of data scrapers, my guess is the thought process is that people who only have access to 600/day will be jonesing for more Twitter and will pay to have that verified check mark so they can get 6000/day, or that people will suddenly sign up for an account if they can’t view a tweet they’ve been sent a link to. I don’t first either of those things happening though.

Do not mistake inconvenience for oppression.

That is NOT censorship. Everyone on that instance still has every opportunity to say whatever they’d like. Don’t cry over the fact that it’s not reaching as many people as you want it to.

Obligatory XKCD about this topic.

Now you are mixing words. “Open discussion” “misinformation” and “harmful” play very differently in this discussion.

No one, throughout this thread, the one on beehaw, or anyone discussing EH or on EH has expressed an interest in turning down Open Discussion, in fact it’s been more than encouraged.

Misinformation, however, does not vary from person to person. There are things that are objectively true and objectively untrue. Someone coming up with some other “truth” does not make it also true, it makes it misinformation if they start spreading it. There can be multiple truths or things that have no truth but are beliefs, but if something is false but is being spread while called a truth it is Misinformation. That doesn’t mean if Person A is talking about X and Person B is talking about Y that they both get to call the other person’s thing misinformation just because they aren’t talking about the same thing.

And misinformation is not always going to be harmful. Sometimes it will be silly (April fool’s day news casts) and sometimes it will be stupid, but once it crosses that line into harmful is when it needs to be controlled.

And yes, multiple people might have different definitions of harmful. But this is where we need to take the community’s agreement into account. You know all of those Terms of Service you always just check the box without reading? You agree to behave certain ways with those. If website is a company or a restaurant finds that you are not behaving in a way that you agreed to by joining, they can decide you no longer belong. This is what many of the comments in this thread were talking about - that sh.itjust.works and kbin.social both have bigotry listed as disagreeable terms that they deem as harmful to their communities.

So it not about having an issue with open discussion, is it?

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Your do realize that people can “rush into things” against their therapist’s opinion as well, correct? Decide “obviously this is the solution, time to book a surgeon. Oh, well, I can’t afford that good one, so I’ll go to this other one over here” all the while the therapist is trying to say "wait! We’re no where near getting to a diagnosis!”

speak with a gender therapist who will likely urge you to transition

THIS^^^^ is where YOU are harmful. NO therapist will EVER urge someone to transition for whom it is not the right option, and to say so is demonstrably incorrect. This is an outright fallacy created by the anti-trans movement.

Everyone in that thread was clearly open to the OP being exposed to any and all options. However, claiming that a gender therapist will likely urge them to transition IS HARMFUL because it it’s untrue, and I am ok with those thoughts not being allowed on that instance.

I truly feel for you that you’ve been hurt and are still finding your way to happiness, but that is simply not what happens in gender therapy. You don’t simply “have information to share that goes against their beliefs”, you want to spread misinformation under the guise of it being “medical/scientific” and “sharing all sides”. If this is what you have actually gone through and your lived experience, I truly feel for you that you feel you were misled or urged, but please focus on finding happiness instead of continuing this dangerous rhetoric.

I made my point in a previous comment about why I am providing input info this thread, and I’ll copy it here:

Since you are from kbin.social, the outcome of this thing does not affect you at all. I wish you do not participate any further to stir the pot.

I’m also from kbin.social, but the whole point of the federation, as you JUST pointed out, is to participate in conversations across instances and provide input in good faith to create multiple perspectives. Additionally, just because THIS post is about sh.itjust.works doesn’t mean it won’t have an outcome for kbin.social or other instances as well.

Because we can see the discussion and it could lead to a decision on our instance as well. Just because the question was raised about your instance doesn’t mean others shouldn’t also start discussing it.

Do you think when the titanic started sinking the people in the front told the people in the back to stop discussing it because it had nothing to do with them?

I am not denying that there are people that have detransitioned for various reasons (though it is no where near the percentage the ridiculous, far-right ‘reports’ claim it to be), and I do not deny that there people who have had surgeries that have not gone as planned (“botched”, or unpleasant, or left them not feeling whole as they expected, or many more reasons). I’m also not denying that people that went on therapies ending up not becoming the person they expected and still not feeling whole.

What I AM denying is that there exist “harmful communities” that are needlessly “encouraging” transitions to those that don’t need it. Instead, what I believe is happening - and it is very important that I am saying believe, because there is a very wide range of things happening in these instances - is that those seeking out these treatments are looking for a “solution” instead of realizing that they are going to have to go through a journey to discover who they are. They are in pain, anguish, confused, and are looking for something to make them whole. In any solutions involving the mind, such as depression, anxiety, OCD, etc, it takes multiple tries or combinations of treatments to what works, and there’s no reason to think gender identity and expression would be any different. As you can see in the comments to the thread you linked, multiple commenters suggested not getting hung up on labels and to explore multiple options. I believe those that you are referencing got hung up on the first “solution” deciding that must be it and then (even subconsciously) deciding the community was the one that “encouraged” them into it when it ended up not being what felt right.

Again, literally NO ONE in that thread encouraged transition. The only thing being encouraged was that OP had to explore to figure it out themselves and that no one could tell them if they were trans except themselves.

I’ve spoken with many people who got on hormone therapy because they were “encouraged” by communities like this.

No, you haven’t. Because that doesn’t exist except in people’s made up anger-fantasies in their heads when they try to come up with more reasons to get upset at trans-allies for.

Anorexia is actively harming the individual, exploring gender identity and expression is not. Additionally, the commenters (multiple!) told OP that they should seek out therapy in order to actively explore these ideas.

I was very interested to see examples, as I do not like to judge without knowledge, and I am a very firm believer that toxic positivity is harmful.

That being said, I saw no toxic positivity in that thread or harmfully “positive” comments. Instead, what I saw were many people encouraging OP to explore the ideas thoughtfully while keeping in mind that no one can tell them if they are trans except themselves. I saw encouragement to seek out therapy instead of doing this alone, encouragement to consider the ideas of doing mundane things as a woman (such as doing taxes, grocery shopping, commuting, etc) and see if it still felt right (instead of just the attraction or sexual aspects), reminders that the whole concept is a spectrum and not to get hung up on labels and instead focus on actions that feel right.

I fail to see how any of that is toxic positivity.

The only worrying comment I saw was yours, and even moreso because you indicated that you were biting your tongue because of the community’s rules. You used negative slang terminology to indicate this person merely has a fetish and that this big bad world is too confusing so OP should look to the past when these things were handled more simply “scientifically”, and insinuated they were only going to blindly follow the answer given to them about whether or not they are trans instead of explore their identity given the info from the thread.

The argument being that if they aren’t blocked at an instance-level, due to how the federation works, those comments could very easily spill over into these threads. Those that do want to participate in good faith would need to create an account with an instance that is federated.

Quite a few subs had polls today for how to run, one of them was r/showerthoughts voting on which days to be open and had a comment for each day for the next week for open and each day for the next week for closed and it was unanimous of (exactly equal numbers) all upvoted days closed and all downvoted days open.

I posted about this in m/redditmigration, but yours is gaining more traction. I posted a link to people talking about this issue in r/redditalternatives in case people want examples of this happening to other people

https://kbin.social/m/RedditMigration/t/29476/An-FYI-about-comments-posts-reappearing-after-using-shreddit-or-other