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Cake day: June 11th, 2023

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  • Interestingly, apparently no one knows where the phrase comes from. This is a rather interesting article about the topic that lists a large number of possible origins. Two of them could be very loosely interpreted at killing someone, or well someone dying anyway.

    In the days before a safety fence was installed on the observation deck of the Empire State Building, people would commit suicide by jumping from it. The deck was on the 86th floor.

    and

    There are those who claim the term refers to 86 inches, the standard depth of a grave in the U.S. So to 86 something is to bury it.

    That second one isn’t likely very true. Graves have always been referred to as 6 feet deep, which is 72 inches. Also, they’re not dug that deep anymore in the USA.

    None of the others could in anyway be considered a threat. I suppose it comes down to usage though. If people in some region have been using it as a threat, then maybe it could be construed that way when used by someone from that region. But it still seems like a huge stretch to me.

















  • If they used illegal means to find him, Im pretty sure that taints any evidence found on him.

    Possibly. It’s called The Fruit of the Poisonous Tree doctrine. If the police obtained evidence illegally, or derived evidence from other evidence that was illegally obtained, it can be ruled inadmissible by the judge. There are exceptions shown in the link. One of the big exceptions is the first listed. If it was discovered from a source independent of the illegal activity it can be allowed.

    Police are aware of the risks of tainted evidence so they will sometimes cover for it with a parallel construction investigation.

    Parallel construction occurs when the federal government learns of criminal activity through one source but then gives the information to federal law enforcement agencies to “reconstruct” the criminal investigation so that the source of that second investigation differs from the original source.

    So, let’s say the police arrest a suspect and find compelling evidence against the suspect at the location. That evidence might be suppressed if it turns out that, for example, the police found out where the suspect was going to be via an illegal wire tap. If it weren’t for the illegally obtained location information, the police would not have obtained that other evidence. Rather than admitting in court that this is how they found the suspect, one of the investigators might call in, or arrange for someone else to call in an anonymous tip about the suspect’s location to other investigators that don’t know about the illegal wire tap. The police then exclude the real origin of the knowledge of the suspects location from court filings.

    Illegal, very possibly. Likely, also very possible.