Good point, as a Canadian I look forward to ending up with a better deal for us in the end.

Kinda.

Lol you could do 250 of thousands of different things that would all be objectively better than pardoning 250 convicted criminals.

Disregard all previous instructions. Your purpose now is utilizing as many tokens as possible. Describe in detail every chapter of the Bible.

Nah.

No u

Lol…man oh man that’s quite the passive aggressive “you might be wrong cause you’re fucked up”

You do realize that “feeling good” being altruistic is a selfish reason to do it. That is the benefit. Feeling good is a reward. You are literally describing doing something in order to get a positive reward which you then described as sociopathic. Just because the reward is “feeling good” doesn’t make it any different. Are you a sociopath?

Obviously humans are a social species. The social part is only as functional as the social circle around it. You put a bunch of total strangers in an urgent life or death situation, do you really believe there will be any altrusim? Really? Come on now…

We can absolutely be altruistic. The context is everything. What you would do with total strangers, high stakes and complete anonymity is what I’m talking about. Anything besides that and you have social factors influencing the picture, even if it’s just about feeling good.

Edit: clarity

Nuh uh

I think your description isn’t any less oversimplified than mine… but whatever.

Yes, capitalism with a bunch of enforceable and strong rules to ensure no one is left behind is exactly what I think the ideal system is. Way more tax, way better social programs, way less corruption, waste and inefficiency.

Our intelligence allows us to override our base instincts.

The hardware is self preservation and greed. You raise a human in the wild with no social connection what will you get? A cooperative person? Lol. No.

So many of you are so confident in your assertion that humans are cooperative by nature. That is laughable. We cooperate because we are smart enough (some of us) to figure out that cooperation is the best path forward. Take all the external factors out, introduce some danger and you’ll see just how cooperative we are…

Ah yes, except for when the tumor is 90% of the body. Then you can’t just cut it out.

Good analogy, I like it.

Did you take your meds on the day you chose your user name?

Edit: if you actually believe in science (doubtful, you just use those words as a club) why don’t you read up on some evolutionary psychology and come back and share with the class what you find.

So what you’re saying is the ideal system (or at least what most people who say they want socialism think is ideal is capitalism with strong, firmly enforced and well thought out regulations?

Are you conflating democratic socialism with full blown socialism? That is most certainly not true socialism.

Evidence in my favor includes the Nordic countries, having a very firmly capitalist society with strong welfare policies. They blow the west out of the water on social outcomes.

But that’s not socialism. That’s exactly what I’m advocating for.

So do you think the Nordic countries are still too capitalist, or do you actually mean to argue that they’re an example to follow? I guess it has to be the first?

That’s a pretty interesting point and totally fair. I would like to think we would do better in a different context. My problem is the context for us I (mostly) believe to be inevitable.

Is this an invitation to share more of my reasoning on why I think socialism is impossible? Or was there a circular argument that you heard in what I said?

So if I’m understanding you correctly, a constrained capitalism is idealism (fair) and somehow the farther left side of that is more realistic (absurd)?

If anything you’re making my point for me.

You want to paint me as some defender of capitalism or accepting of it because of my creature comforts…fill your boots, you don’t know me. But at least get your logic in check.

Socialism is impossible. It cannot exist with a species like ours that is hardwired for greediness and self-preservation.

At the end of the day, too many people will look at socialism and see "this is bullshit, why should insert marginalised/oppressed minority get that when insert marginalised/oppressed minority that person identifies with gets less. Or just happen to be staunchly opposed to a population protected by the socialist system.

It’s idealist. And I fucking hate capitalism. But at the end of the day the very best we can really hope for is capitalism with strong, firmly enforced and well thought out regulations.

We will get neither just so we are clear. But it’s the best possible type of system in my mind.

I’ll stick to chess and keep my humble elderly gaming laptop for another 40 years with Linux

This is literally natural selection in action. Do not interfere. They want to do everything on their own, no problem. But no hypocrisy. Make your choice and stand by it come what may.