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Sh.itposter

Let’s just all take a breath. This instance has its rules, and I expect them to be adhered to for content on this instance.

Let’s give moderator time to get involved, and the community time to navigate precident setting actions. I think it is cool this instance is being set up to be self governing. But it’s just getting set up. And people work and are otherwise not constantly available.

I’ve been running Fedora for many years now. Prior to that, I tried used Ubuntu for a bit. When Unity’s search started throwing in Amazon results, I said nope, I’m out.

Fedora is fitting. My very first distro was RedHat 6. I picked up a book from the public library with install discs. (A friend told me all the hackers use Linux, so I figured I needed to get it. After all, I could compile basic C++ programs in Microsoft Visual Studio!) I tried Mandrake too. A coworker of mine helped maintain a compile-from-source distro called Lunar, so I ran with that for a couple years. Then Debian, then Ubuntu, and finally Fedora.

My early distro hopping was a combination of curiosity and a heavy handed solution to not knowing how to get something to work. Some library version isn’t easily available in RedHat? Wipe the system and try Mandrake!

Thank you, I see your point now. You are worried bad actors could simply join this instance.

They could, but then they would fall under the guidelines and moderation of this instance. I’m not sure in practice how big of a worry this is.

And bad actors can join without needing to come from a banned instance.

This doesn’t change my view of defederation. (I won’t claim to know the correct use/threshold for defederation, this is all new to me! I’m mostly here to enjoy the discussions, not worry about what might go wrong.)

I don’t understand the point you are trying to make. On the one hand, you say:

Defederating entire instances does not stop bad actors, but an active strongwilled community does.

This makes me think you are saying not to defederate because it would be better to call out bad behavior - interact with the bad actors and point out their falsehoods, hate, etc. But on the other hand, you say:

I don’t interact with them. I don’t provide them with any value.

and

It’s not our responsibility to moderate other instances.

These make me think you are saying just ignore them. And if we’re going to just ignore them, how is that different from the perspective of the bad actors, from defederating? How does not moderating and not interacting stop bad actors?

This is all new to me, I don’t know the best use of defederating, but I didn’t follow the argument you were making.