The UK government apparently thinks that Palestine action is a much bigger threat than the anti vaxxers, but that isn’t really the point. Why don’t you just admit that you are an authoritarian and you only care about authoritarianism when it’s used against you and your preferred causes?

Dang I gotta really spell it out for you. The government makes classifications of crimes that can be applied and then used to shut down speech that they don’t like. That is what they did with the anti vaxxers and that is also what they’ve done with Palestine action. If you allow them to use tools like this, then eventually they will use it against something you believe in. Public nuisance is a whole lot less serious of a crime compared to terrorism, but the end result, or the goal anyway, is the same; shut down people who give voice and advertise causes they believe in if the government doesn’t like them. Additionally, these tools of the government change hands as the parties in power change. Authoritarianism is dangerous no matter who it is used against and needs to constantly kept in check or eventually it will be used against you.

What do you mean? The UK has had a list of terrorists for a long time and if you support them then you can be arrested. “These laws have always been on the books.”

Yes that is the very problematic and dangerous mechanism by which they stifle free speech, and you won’t care until Palestine action people are similarly charged. Which is my entire point.

Yes, they also expressed those views…

I was asking if he thought they should

Yeah? Do you think that should be punishable with jail time?

here you go

these guys got arrested, but not sure if they served jail time.

It started during covid, but nobody cared because the people being locked up were anti vaxxers. It didn’t stop there. It never does.

Well in that case there probably isn’t a single nation ever that should be proud.

Whose was it? At what point in history was ownership established and why was it not the previously displaced people’s instead? How long does it take to establish ownership, and what means are justified to do so? Who exactly is the United States anyway?

It sounded like maybe you were secretly happy about the murders, or sympathized a little bit. If not, that’s my mistake and I apologize.

I’m addressing the victim blaming apologists in this thread. If that isn’t you then carry on.

Free speech means being able to say and support things you believe in without the threat of being murdered for it. Any sympathy for the murderer undermines free speech and democratic society. This is not complicated…

Seems like a lot of victim blaming in here. It can be very simple. Don’t murder people you disagree with. Also, free speech needs to be protected culturally as well, and not just through the government. But the government must also protect free speech, and that includes protecting people from others. There doesn’t need to be a discussion about understanding motives at all. It’s wrong and needs to be condemned, full stop. Otherwise you don’t have a free country. You can’t hand wave it away or shrug just because you understand their motive.

It’s illogical to compare them from a moral perspective. You don’t get to just shoot people because they have a different perspective than you, because they were raised differently or get their news from different places than you do. It’s not exactly whataboutism though, it’s more of a false equivalence. Whatever the case, the gunman is not morally justified in murdering these two people. If you think he is, then you are blinded by ideology and shouldn’t be allowed to participate in democratic society.

You aren’t over reacting. It’s a massive false equivalence comparing what Israel has done against the murder of two individuals. The guy that got murdered isn’t Israel. He’s a person with opinions, right or wrong. He got murdered for a few tweets and an affiliation with Israel. He’s not a combatant, but a civilian. Same for his wife. People justifying these murders are flat out wrong, and there’s no place in America for ideological murders. In order to have a system where free speech is protected, you can’t allow people to be murdered for their views. There is no defending these murders or trying to justify them.

Lol. Surely THIS time…

It’s mostly a metric people use to prove their superiority over other people, when all of the other metrics for happiness and success suggest otherwise.