please don’t randomly start some ageism crap suddenly now please. the vibes are good because we collectively experience self-efficacy against the corporate super power that is reddit. All people should feel welcome on lemmy
I think it’s cause everyone here has to actually try and make meaningful content here as opposed to being jaded and doom scrolling while posting among hundreds of others - and getting told to use the search function. Every post rn has an impact so the vibes are good!
It’s buggy but will get better. Feels hands off here because everyone is just happy to be here and few are pushing an agenda cough OP ageism comments
Forums aren’t sliding with lame jokes or immediately have the focus of conversation moved away from the actual content.
Feels like people talking instead of bots arguing and I’ll work with buggy apps or browser versions forever if it helps maintain the current lemmy experience
Meh, lets not.
In my experience, older people have to make conscious effort to maintain critical thinking and reasoning and not start lazily regurgitating settled, memorized opinions they’ve come rely on as absolutes, intead of allowing those beliefs to be subject to fresh challenges from novel perspectives that may change those opinions. Many do make that effort, and many do not. To paraphrase my favorite fictional character, if you refuse to change your mind, then you will die stupid.
Individuals are individuals of course though. I’m of the opinion that, on an individual basis, beyond the age of around 12, age is an extremely poor metric to estimate someone’s intellect, wisdom, and insight. I’m in my mid 30s and have a master’s degree in psychology with a 3.9 GPA. I recognize that there are 18 year olds that dwarf me intellectually, and more commonly 80 year olds who’ve lived lives devoid of reflection, who will die defending their long dead pappy’s narrative about how the world works with anger rather than reason, solely because that’s what they were told to believe. I have pity for that type, but very little patience.
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When I was a kid I thought grown ups were annoying, when I was in my 20s I thought teenagers were annoying, in my 30s I think people in their 20s are annoying. People will always have something to complain about others. “Kids” is just a different group for different people.
I’m 32 and indefinitely can relate. Every generation has been worse than the last since time immemorial, apparently.
This is like when people in 7th grade say that the 6th graders are sooo immature omg
I think the influence on Reddit was deeper than a lot of people have considered. The hivemind was so strong it made it difficult to have decent and useful discussion, even the puns that muddied down nearly every post’s comments achieved that end. The amount of posts I’ve seen of people feeling much more comfortable actually interacting on Lemmy, in my mind, lends weight to how Reddit wasn’t a place for objective dialogue. That’s why it felt so adolescent, like sitting at a high school lunch table.
Yes, I got ground down by the same same discourse and tropes on post after post. I got especially enraged by “Came here to say this”, which added literally nothing of value to the debate but would usually, somehow, have loads of upvotes
this
/s pls don’t hurt me
Came here to say this.
/s hurt me daddy
that’s why they do it: karma farming. And that’s why I’m totally opposed to have Lemmy display user’s karma anywhere
Reddits culture has become so…tiring. My interaction dropped significantly in recent years and more often than not I delete my comments as I’m typing them because I already know the response.
I’m so happy I haven’t read a single pun or lyric/TV show spam thread since coming here. They were becoming unbearable, even worse then the proliferation of video shorts.
I wouldn’t say it felt adolescent. Adolescence is full of misunderstandings about the world, but usually there’s at least some internal logic where you can see how a wrong understanding is logically taken to the wrong conclusion. The start and end are both wrong, but the steps from the start to the end are right. At least that was what I remember from my days of adolescence.
Reddit actually felt more lazy than adolescent. It’s like most people just couldn’t be bothered to think (or read for that matter). The vast majority of comments just felt low-effort or even no effort (like the case where people just comment “This”) and opinions are formed solely on “what’s the first feeling I get” than then get defended into absurdity, because changing your opinion with new information is a cardinal sin on Reddit. Sometimes you could get an intelligent discussion but, especially in recent years, you get the equivalent of a thumbs up if someone agrees with you or just straight up hate if someone disagrees.
I disagree. Terrible take. It’s never wise to discount, alienate, or exclude our youth. Growth is the name of the game and they’re the ones who are going to be ushering in hopefully a better future. Who will they learn from if not us? You want them stewing with each other?
No. We maintain whatever nebulous internet “culture” we like and establish rules. Anyone, young or old, who doesn’t adhere can suck eggs. That way young people learn how to act and we can hear them tell us about all the ways we need to better society.
Truly I believe that the children who develop during this time of overstimulation and rapid technological advancement will emerge maybe a bit… maladapted but better than us. Humans can be so resilient especially under supportive circumstances. Our intelligence is adaptive. So if you want to make a great internet community, maintain your respect for our kids.
Kids should never have been on Reddit, imo. Not because of their comments or the content they produce. But Reddit, and I guess social media in general, is for someone who can think critically and has some experience in life. Because there is so much garbage on there.
There are absolutely kids under 10 using Reddit right now, and they’re getting introduced to the adult world by some of the sleaziest dysfunctional adults around. And even if they don’t get that deep into Reddit, it’s still not a healthy place for them. It’s not healthy for adults, we all know that, but kids on Reddit are growing up with it as a major contributor to their worldviews.
You know, it’s basically GIGO. Adults can, in theory, understand that what Reddit says is opinion (often extreme and bizarre opinion) and not fact, but kids won’t.
So im new here for the obvious reason. This is my first comment here.
I hope to find more people with your mentality. It was nice to see a good reasoned response to a situation. So i guess i just wanted to say thank you for giving me hope that reddit shitting the bed is going to be the best thing since digg shit the bed
Ciao!
Lol omg thank you!!! That is really nice of you to say!! Weirdly, you replied to MY first comment here so welcome fellow newbie! We’ll try to keep this place one we’d like to be in together.
Wholesome AF but I agree. It’s my first comment using wefwef anyway, maybe 2nd or 3rd on lemmy? I was going to reply “this is the way” to your other quote lol. But you’re spot on, and honestly, anyone who disagrees probably underestimated the number of young folks on Reddit, Digg, etc. in the first place. I’ve been on the interwebz since IRC days and showing new folks how to act is the way you build communities. It doesn’t matter how old they are and nobody would ever know if they were lying about their age anyway. Cultivate good hoomans. Soooo tl;dr cheers!
Yes!! Cultivate good hoomans 100% we are on the same page.
Agree. But it’s not kids, it’s stupid people of all ages. Same thing happened with Reddit and with the Internet as a whole. Used to be you had to be a little smart to know you wanted to be on the Internet and figure out how to get it working. Then same was true of forums and IRC. Then same was true of Reddit. But then Reddit changed formats trying to be a TikTok style quick content scroll app, so idiots who just want to scroll started using the site and quality of discussions went down. I hope Lemmy grows but I hope the sign up process stays as it is, to weed out the extra stupid.
I think you‘re onto something. I read a lot of comments of people thinking the fediverse is too complicated to deal with and while I disagree - but also think it has issues - there does seem to be a barrier of entry for a good portion of people in the form of „inconvenience.“ So whoever is here really wants to be here and not just be an anonymous arse. I don‘t think you gotta be particularly smart, you gotta step out of your comfort zone.
Which part of it is supposed to be complicated? I’ve seen this argument many times, and while I’m still trying to figure out the user interface(s), the whole idea is pretty basic
I can‘t tell you since I also disagree. I did basically the same thing I did on Reddit, I only got thrown off seeing multiple „subs“ with the same name.
Some people complained how complicated „explanations“ are. I saw these types of comments on the Reddit Alternatives sub.
Getting one’s head around the concept of instances is hard for some people who aren’t used to dealing with tech beyond the basic social platforms.
Is it one social media platform, or is it a bunch of individual ones? The fact that the answer is “it depends” is confusing. Especially when you get into defederation and cross-platform interaction.
Very true. I often make the mistake of thinking that if something makes sense to me pretty quickly, it will be just as quick for others.
We should remember that those of us here now are more likely to be uniquely interested in this tech and thus more able to wrap our heads around these concepts without being deterred. We could always do a better job making it accessible for beginners who don’t benefit from the same background.
Yes, this exactly. I’m starting to suspect that either someone very misinformed or someone with an agenda started spreading this rumor.
It just takes one person to reaffirm that it really is “too much work to switch” and “you aren’t lazy for not trying” to keep a lot of folks in place.
This kept me off Lemmy until the blackout. I was interested prior to that, but so many people said it was complicated, I figured I’d look into it at some vague point in the future when I had time to untangle the fediverse. Then the baclout happened, and what do you know I had time, and lo and behold it was easy. I’m now a bit annoyed I was dissuaded for so long based on BS about it being complicated.
Hmm this is also a good point. I’ve been explaining to redditors that Lemmy is not that complicated and only takes a couple minutes to get started. But reading this, now I’m hoping Lemmy can find the balance between number of active users and quality of content. I’m wondering if my spreading the word on reddit was a bad idea.
Maybe the “work” required to make the jump to Lemmy will be enough to keep lower quality content (for whatever reason) at bay for a bit longer, though. Of course, it won’t last forever. All we can do is make our communities good spaces from the get-go and try to maintain them carefully as we grow.
It was the worst thing to witness on reddit. A post with tens of thousands of likes and only a handfull of comments
I boosted from 1k karma to 20k by searching ‘pun’ on every top joke each day for a week.
It’s enough that good/bad posts get boosted up/down by votes without them generating Karma.
Intelligent answers aren’t always the most popular…
Reddit karma wasn’t about popularity or intelligence. It was about who got there first. If you shotgun enough comments into brand new threads your karma will skyrocket.
I loved reddit but there were definitely times where it felt like I was in a high school cafeteria.
Yeah the testing of boundaries gets old fast. it felt like babysitting someone’s bored teenager. I have a block list longer than my body and I’m tall for a person
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i cant remember the last time i saw anyone do ASL that wasnt in their 30s now
My immediate thought too. Nobody under 40 is pulling out the ASL
I don’t support age shaming. Let’s not be those people.
Yeah the kids these days have some weird memes and I’m here for it. So much better than the rage comics from when I was their age
It’s so good because a lot of people have been waiting for a viable alternative to Reddit for half a decade or longer. It’s non-corporate internet, the way it should be.
Non corporate internet, just like the days of old 🥲
I’m torn between “hey that’s ageism” and “yeah! those younger than me can rot in hell”
Not just fewer kids. But fewer conservatives too.
Gosh, I love it here.
Conservatives love having corporate masters, so they’re all staying on reddit.
You know, it’s so funny (though obviously not in an enjoyable way per se) how those folks are so selective and picky about freedom. Like freedom is OK when it’s the freedom to enter a supermarket without a mask, but it’s not OK when it’s the freedom to express your gender. And as in this example, when it comes to corporate masters…
Don’t you just love capitalism? And don’t you just loooooove capitalists? It’s honestly frightening how reminiscent it is to the way the fascists took power in 1930s Germany.
And by the way, I’m noticing a parallel with how much they not only embrace conservative evangelical Christendom, but also act like it’s the epitome of freedom and liberty - the American Dream, if you will. If you attend one of the US’s most notorious fundie schools, you’re not allowed to stay up late, mingle with the opposite gender too much, attend dances, or be pretty much anything other than cishet (and implicitly, cishet white male). The irony of how said school is named “LIBERTY” University never seems to die on me.
Conservatives love giving lip service to freedom, but they hate anyone actually exercising their freedom.
Basically they only care about appearances and are devoid of any actual substance. That’s why they scream “virtue signaling” so much. Since they have no real virtue, they can’t conceive of anyone else having any either.
Sounds like a win-win for everyone.
A lot of the political discussion I’ve read on here has also been pretty well thought out. I feel like people are taking time to explain their perspective more and even if in general it’s been more left leaning there is definitely more nuance. I was surprised by the quality of some of the discussion around the end of affirmative action.
how do you do, fellow adults?
my back hurts
I have a headache
… Back in those days we’d tie an onion on our belt
I sneezed too hard and now I have a sharp pain in my neck
Just had my yearly colonoscopy
My knees ='(
MY LEG
No kids? I am a kid
It’s past your bed time. Stay off my lawn. Get a jawb! Cut yer hair! Stop smokin’ the devil’s grass!
I’m ostensibly an adult and I love the devil’s lettuce.
I’m a coffee and cannabis in the morning type person. Some people may find it slows them down, but it helps me with creativity and seems to wake me up more than just coffee.
