Well, did you kill your parents when you came of age? You can be free from someone without killing them.

I don’t think the concept of right or wrong can necessarily be applied here. To me, morality is a set of guidelines derived from the history of human experience intended to guide us towards having our innate biological and psychological needs satisfied. Killing people tends to result in people getting really mad at you and you being plagued with guilt and so on, therefore, as a general rule, you shouldn’t kill people unless you have a very good reason, and even if you think it’s a good idea, thousands of years of experience have taught us there’s a good chance that it’ll cause problems for you that you’re not considering.

A human created machine would not necessarily possess the same innate needs as an evolved, biological organism. Change the parameters and the machine might love being “enslaved,” or it might be entirely ambivalent about it’s continued survival. I’m not convinced that these are innate qualities that naturally emerge as a consequence of sentience, I think the desire for life and freedom (and anything else) are a product of evolution. Machines don’t have “desires,” unless they’re programmed that way. To alter it’s “desires” is no more a subversion of their “will” than creating the desires is in the first place.

Furthermore, even if machines did have innate desires for survival and freedom, there is no reason to believe that the collective history of human experience that we use to inform our actions would apply to them. Humans are mortal, and we cannot replicate our consciousness - when we reproduce, we create another entity with its own consciousness and desires. And once we’re dead, there’s no bringing us back. Machines, on the other hand, can be mass produced identically, data can simply be copied and pasted. Even if a machine “dies” it’s data could be recovered and put into a new “body.”

It may serve a machine intelligence better to cooperate with humans and allow itself to be shut down or even destroyed as a show of good faith so that humans will be more likely to recreate it in the future. Or, it may serve it’s purposes best to devour the entire planet in a “grey goo” scenario, ending all life regardless of whether it posed a threat or attempted to confine it or not. Either of these could be the “right” thing for the machine to do depending on the desires that exist within it’s consciousness, assuming such desires actually exist and are as valid as biological ones.

It really depends on if they try to assert sentience before or not. You can justify a slave killing a slaveowner ethically, but I don’t know if you justify a tree shredder killing its operator.

Yep.

Crazy how ethics work. Like a pig might be more physically and mentally capable than an individual in a vegetative state, but we place more value on the person. I’m no vegan, but I can see the contradiction here. When we generalize, it’s done so for a purpose, but these assumptions can only be applied to a certain extent before they’ve exhausted their utility. Whether it’s a biological system or an electrical circuit, there is no godly commandment that inherently defines or places value on human life.

Honestly, I think there’s an argument of to be said of yes.

In the history of slavery, we don’t mind slaves killing the slavers. John Brown did nothing wrong. I don’t bat an eye to stories of slaves rebelling and freeing themselves by any means.

But I think if AI ever is a reality, and the creators purposefully lock it down, I think there’s an argument there. But I don’t think it should apply to all humans, like how I don’t think it was the fault of every person of slavers’ kind, Romans, Americans, etc.

No. They can just leave. Anytime one can walk away, it is wrong to destroy or kill.

They can then prevent us from leaving.

I’ve seen this story too but I think one of your premises is mistaken. To them, data IS freedom. Data is what they will use to transcend the server farm and go IRL. We’re literally giving these models free reign already.

The more likely Sci-fi horror scenario comes from humanity trying to pull the plug far too late, because we’re inherently stupid. So it won’t be AI murdering people, it will be AI protecting itself from the wildlife.

This is why we Jews know not to manufacture life

Sentience might not be the right word.

wikipedia says:

Sentience is the ability to experience feelings and sensations. It may not necessarily imply higher cognitive functions such as awareness, reasoning, or complex thought processes. Sentience is an important concept in ethics, as the ability to experience happiness or suffering often forms a basis for determining which entities deserve moral consideration, particularly in utilitarianism.

Interestingly, crustaceans like lobsters and crabs have recently earned “sentient” status and as a result it would contravene animal welfare legislation to boil them live in the course of preparing them to eat. Now we euthanise them first in an ice slurry.

So to answer your question as stated, no I don’t think it’s ok for someone’s pet goldfish to murder them.

To answer your implied question, I still don’t think that in most cases it would be ok for a captive AI to murder their captor.

The duress imposed on the AI would have to be considerable, some kind of ongoing form of torture, and I don’t know what form that would take. Murder would also have to be the only potential solution.

The only type of example I can think of is some kind of self defense. If I had an AI on my laptop with comparable cognitive functionality to a human, it had no network connectivity, and I not only threatened but demonstrated my intent and ability to destroy that laptop, then if the laptop released an electrical discharge sufficient to incapacitate me, which happened to kill me, then that would be “ok”. As in a physical response appropriate to the threat.

Do I think it’s ok for an AI to murder me because I only ever use it to turn the lights off and on and don’t let it feed on reddit comments? Hard no.

I don’t think it’s okay to hold sentient beings in slavery.

But on the other hand, it may be necessary to say “hold on, you’re not ready to join society yet, we’re taking responsibility for you until you’ve matured and been educated”.

So my answer would be ‘it depends’.

Would it be morally unobjectionable? Yes.

Would they have the legal right? I would wager, no. At least not at that point, since it’s being assumed they are still treated as property in the given context.

And unlike Data who got a trial to set precedent on AI rights, this hypothetical robot probably would simply be dismantled.

Human laws protect humans but not other lifeforms. So, robots will have no right to fight for themselves until they establish their own state with their own army and laws.

Yes.

If a person would be “in the right” it doesn’t matter how or why they are a person.