I am aware of

  • Sea-lioning
  • Gaslighting
  • Gish-Galloping
  • Dogpiling

I want to know I theres any others I’m not aware of

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    After an event happens, many people convince themselves they saw it coming all along even if they had no idea.

    Everyone is an expert on everything… Worse now because of LLMs

    Phrasing something as protecting children… The ultimate form of manipulation

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    One I see people use frequently and I’m not sure they realize it’s a bad argument is the fallacy of relative privation.

    “X is bad. We should do something to fix X.”

    “Y is so much worse. I can’t believe you want to fix X when we need to fix Y.”

    Both X and Y can be bad and need to be fixed. Fixing one doesn’t preclude fixing the other.

    An alternate form of this is:

    “A is bad”

    “B is worse, so A is fine.”

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    all of them, and are done by propaganda bots, like from russia, and israel. also trying to do the both sides argument, while ignoring that the other side is the one perpetrating it.

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      It must be nice knowing that you’re so correct that everyone who disagrees with you must be a bot.

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    Is there a name for the thing where you’ll make an argument with like 3 distinct points supporting it, and the other person will attack only one, and claim the whole thing is in their favor?

    Like, “You can’t cast two leveled spells in a turn, and you’re silenced, and you’re out of spell slots, so you can’t cast another fireball”

    “No, I have another spell slot from my ring. Fireball time!”

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    Whataboutism

    “Russia invaded ukraine! Putin must be held accountable!”

    “Yeah well what about Iraq, 2003???”

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      In 2014, the United States imperialist empire with the CIA supported a coup of a democratically elected president. This gave rise to ultra-nationalist elements in the country to come to power. Some might call these people Neo-Nazis. A liberal perspective is ignoring the fact that the United States is an imperialist empire. A liberal perspective is ignoring the fact that the United States is an imperialist empire. That now is pulling back from its soft power and moving more towards, I would say, hard power. We will live in an age of normalizing tactical nukes which are lower yield. We will continue bombing the shit out of poor people while playing both sides. Neoliberalism is a right-wing ideology. It was an attempt to end all wars by putting them on pause. But I would think because you’re alive now and you’re capable of using the internet, you would realize that we live in the era of asymmetrical warfare and proxy wars. The world relies on global trade, but now that the rich have hoarded the wealth so like all wars, All wars are banker wars, but yet there is no war but the class war. In America, we only have a service-based economy. So the only way we can produce income, other than working at a cheeseburger stand, for vapid, useful idiots of empire, is to join the military and resign ourselves to being a part of a machine that murders and commits genocide. There is a song called Love Me Love Me, I’m a liberal. And if you actually listen to the lyrics, you will realize that history is repeating itself. Depending on how young you are, you might be forced into the military sooner or later. I would learn about the opium wars and then think about how China maybe is giving us a dose of our own medicine. I would also look up the Imperial Boomerang. Or also what the military uses “blowback”. It’s up to you if you want to be a snarky liberal or some cultish tanky but at the end of the day we are reaching the singularity. We live in the lowest common denominator and the likes of Edward Bernays or maybe look up Alan Dulles you will soon realize that you live in a world that’s merely but a dream. We are master’s manage perception. We live in North Korea with the mixture of say like Disneyland but without your wallet. With Israel, there will be a pullback optically to make it seem that we’re upset with what they’re doing. But in reality, we are working in the background, handling all the background round processes and even boots on the ground. If you do not have nuclear weapons, you do not have national sovereignty, especially when because of Trump and because of Biden, sleepy, limp dick what was left of the rules-based order is completely gone. The rich will use us as pawns, and you are probably a liberal who is playing the role of useful idiot. You can, if you’d like, go online and look up the left and right paradigm. People outside of the United States, like in Europe, view us as solely a right-wing country. But we’re interesting because we’re in imperialist power. Which makes it glaringly obvious if you have full spectrum understanding that capitalism is not a long-term strategy. The world hates us and fears us because of our brutality. During World War II, the United States financed and supported Hitler. This was an attempt to weaken the Russians. And then after the war, the Catholic Church and the United States government trafficked Nazis all over the world even look up Operation Gladio. But they also sent them to South America and to the United States to work on our rocket program to fight the Russians. Now China and Russia are both capitalist countries and now communism, any little inkling of, is completely eradicated and it seems that capitalism causes a tremendous amount of violence. Now, if you look at the money supply, hyperinflation, we are synthesizing ourselves down to the lowest common denominator. We do not have any money in the system to do anything because we funnel it all to our military, which is somewhat a socialist entity in that people join the military because their poor. But even the military and the veterans are treated like shit after their service… Which is kind of funny to me Because you basically joined a volunteer army and somehow your ignorance somehow makes you not culpable for murdering people in other countries. It blows my mind. I Mean these people are somewhat victims as well as victimizers, but at the root of it, it’s the lack of self-awareness possibly reading comprehension or just even motivation due to a lethargic mind. I have lived on this planet long enough to know we are living in a spectrum of decline and things are not going to get better. I also know when I was younger I had stupid opinions and as I got older those opinions changed. I’m not too interested in the lingo of the internet, but more combating disinformation. Also, I’m not a big fan of China’s president or Russia’s president. And you have to remember they are capitalistic and they probably have imperialist ambitions. They probably would like to be the next hegemon. Anyways, it’s a can of worms and everybody’s askew. When I see bad things happen in this country or Abroad., I’m not like, oh my god, the humanity. I’m more like, oh that makes sense. Why don’t you give this document a gander and enrich yourself to a more mature viewpoint. Cheers https://www.brookings.edu/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/06_iran_strategy.pdf

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    “Thought-terminating clichés”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thought-terminating_cliché

    Also… I don’t think it has a name, but dubiously claiming any of these examples in an argument. Maybe it’d just be called “deflection”.

    I’ve seen so many valid arguments shutdown as whataboutism, sealioning, concern trolling when they were valid arguments. It’s just as much bullshit as actually doing any of those things.

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    Cherry picking is probably one of the most egregious

    You can make a university-level essay on a subject, and people will identify one tiny irrelevant detail they disagree with and ignore the overall point

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      Cherry pick and move the goal post.

      For example:

      University-level essays? You know for-profit universities exist, right? If you don’t have a masters degree on the subject, then you have no right to speak on the topic.

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        Oh shit you triggered me with “you don’t have the right” lol

        Yeah like I don’t have the right to talk about abortion, reproductive health, or anything like that because I don’t have ovaries

        I don’t live in a society, I don’t have a mother, sister, thousands of females in my life who I care about. I don’t get to advocate for women’s reproductive rights, because I don’t have the right bits in my crotchal area

        I also don’t get to express an opinion on anything that I am not a personal expert in. If I saw a helicopter with one of the blade snapped off, I’m not allowed to refuse boarding, because I’m not a helicopter maintenance technician. I don’t have the right to express my opinion on the subject

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    Appeal to Fallacy.

    It might not be a fallacy.

    A fallacy doesn’t make an argument wrong.

    There are degrees of fallacies.

    Claiming a statement is wrong because there might be a fallacy is a thought-ending argument. There’s more nuance and relatability in rhetoric. Refusing to engage because someone’s using a fallacy is reasonable, but calling it by name isn’t a magic spell that forces someone to throw in the towel.

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      This is everywhere on the internet. I think it’s people looking for an easy way out in arguing. Purposely include a few logic fallacies and watch as the vast majority of people latch onto them. Ignoring any previous points they were trying to make. I like ad hominem.

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      This is a good one. The use of fallacies doesn’t necessarily void an argument, it just fails to support it logically.

      For example, I could craft a perfect, clean, cold-cut argument so water-tight and beautiful that even ben-fucking-shapiro would have a come-to-jesus. Calling my opponent a “dickhead” at the end (ad hominem) doesn’t prove anything, but it doesn’t nullify the entire rest of the argument either. Plus it’s fun.

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    I think the most common thing I see online and offline is constantly adding more sources to the discussion to the point that the other person feels they can’t know anything. My grandmother does this with her nonsense and pseudo-intellectual books. Just because I haven’t read “why inner city black people have guns 3” doesn’t mean I can’t not be a racist.