I’m mainly interested in how clean it gets the dishes, and how reliable it is. I also don’t need or want any kind of internet-connected features.
I love my 6 year old siemens dishwasher. I absolutely hate my tumbledryer from siemens though.
Very interesting arrangement of comments here.
As an appliance repair man for the last 21 years I can tell you that the only dishwasher worth getting is a Bosch. Nothing else even comes close. All thier other appliances are terrible but their dishwashers are simply the absolute best in the industry.
Having said that generally the state of appliances as a whole is pretty bad across the board which also includes Bosch dishwashers. The dishwashers they make today are worse than the ones they made 10, 15, 20 years ago. And people can tell.
But the truth of the matter is they’re still better than the competition. Ask any tech what they’d rather work on… GE dishwasher or a Bosch. It’s not the GE.
Do they have a model that has the macerating filter? The one I have now has a little basket that has to be cleaned constantly
So. Some whirlpool models have a blade inside the pump motor that can help cut down food debris.
The idea is that if one forgets to rinse off the dish before putting it in the dishwasher it’ll help move the debris along in the system.
The issue is course is that dishes need to be rinsed of large and even small elements of food. For every dishwasher. Not just Bosch.
Bottom line, if a manufacturer puts a blade into the pump that doesn’t mean you should stop rinsing your dishes off.
But! Even though whirlpool has this option a whirlpool dishwasher is significantly worse than a Bosch in everyway.
But to answer your question, yes. The very high end models of Bosch dishwashers will have a blade in the pump motor.
I’d look into the 500 or 800 series. They probably have the blade.
Wipe dishes off, don’t rinse them well before putting them in a dishwasher. They will get cleaner if they go in dirty (modern dishwashers keep going until the water is clean), and it saves water because the dishwasher is more efficient than washing them in the sink. Then clean the filter in the dishwasher after you use it.
Get the most basic version with a metal interior. I haven’t tried many brands but my whirlpool is ok
Why a metal interior?
Holds up better, won’t crack or leak.
Quieter, too
Anything by Bosch, but don’t cheap out. Also, the keypads are touch sensitive. There is no need to press the buttons, just set a fingertip upon them. Otherwise, you’ll wear out the buttons.
I got a Bosch last year, simple setup, no IoT bullshit, just works, quiet. For what it’s worth, the guy who installed it told me “I install new dishwashers and remove old ones in the process all the time. I’ve never had to remove a Bosch dishwasher”.
FWIW all Bosch dishwashers have IoT now, even the cheapest. You don’t need to use it, but at least it plays well with 3rd party stuff like Home Assistant.
Really, because I have a Bosch and I had to install the app and then use HACS to install an integration which goes through their cloud.
I don’t use that for anything more than alerts but it’s annoying it has zero local control. This is a perfect use case for Zigbee or Z-Wave and if I’m paying a premium I don’t get why I wouldn’t get premium features.
Also some features are app only (special dry modes etc) so if I want the functionality I paid for I have to be signed up for their cloud.
let’s hope they won’t just hop on an open wifi and do whatever, but hoping is the most we can do.
never had such a device, if it works with Hass (offline) that’s kind of good, but I wonder if they are hackable before connecting them to a network, because they run a hotspot or something
Get the base model of whatever the consensus on brand is generally. ALWAYS research though. They all wash dishes, usually the biggest problems people have with dishwashers is user error stuff. Like not knowing you need hot water at the sink first before starting the dishwasher. which pulls from hot water pipe, but the water in the pipe is not even warm yet by the time it stops calling for water if you just start it. Same with not adding dishwasher detergent to the pre wash cycle, adding too much detergent to the main cycle spring loaded container, not accounting for hard water streaking and failing to buy a streak/rinse aid, not cleaning the filters or door seals regularly, buying a shitty detergent and not trying others, etc.
Miele, Asko, or Bosch in a pinch.
Some low end Bosch have in the past been Frigidaire or something dressed up as a Bosch. Keep an eye out for that.
I replaced my Miele (2001 build date) this year. The control panel was getting a little unreliable. It still was cleaning dishes (when it started).
I got a Bosch a year ago and love it. Super quiet, super clean. But my favorite feature is that it cracks the door open after running so that every has a chance to air dry. I run it at night and when I wake up everything is fury dry, even plastic containers.
I would love this feature. I have an older bosch and it just beeps like every 10 minutes crying to be opened up.
My 5-year old Samsung does this as well. Blows fans for 5 mins too.
Same. Samsung, +/- 5 years old.
This is also useful as a visual cue for “the dishwasher is finished and needs to be unloaded”. My ADHD means that visual cues like this are super helpful
My whirlpool gold has been quietly washing my dishes every day for the past 10 years without problems
Maybe in the US bosch is considered premium, but in Germany is the standard (BSH group, including bosch, Siemens, neff, etc). Their dishwashers are fine, but hard to say if better than others. But their support is awesome, you still can get replacement parts 20 years down the line, and do the repair yourself because they provide decent manuals and there’s tons of YouTube videos.
I like the IoT features, they’re so silent that it’s nice to get a notification when they are done, or start them when solar/cheap power is available.
I’ve heard good things about Miele, but don’t have any experience first hand.
Can also chime in on Bosch. Knock on wood, never any issues and no “talk to your dishes from your smartphone” IoT bullshit.
They do have that now, though. The control panel is as cryptic as ever, with certain settings only possible though divination (or a series of unlabeled button presses, I forget which).
But now some settings and wash modes are app-only. Still fully functional without an app, but frustrating I can’t use the thing to it’s fullest ability on it’s own.
This has not been my experience with the one I got a few months back.
Maybe you don’t use those settings?
https://media3.bsh-group.com/Documents/9001906312_A.pdf
Page 19, delayed start is only via app. And page 21 has the secrets to the “basic settings” that definitely requires the manual and patience to use.
Delayed start being limited to the app is horseshit.
Bosch
I’ve got a Bosch (Serie 6) too and I’m happy with it overall.
Just one problem: It doesn’t dry my airfryer pot very well. I only got my first airfryer recently so I’m not sure if all dishwashers struggle with large non-stick coated pots.
Also here in the down under they’ve got a different product line and there are no models that can pop open their doors. IIRC it was Miele that started doing this first so I always suspected if they got into any legal trouble (didn’t do any digging, just a wild guess). Considered Miele, just way too expensive here.
Edit: Ours have touch panels tho, so fewer features are locked behind apps. IIRC in the US Bosch has more traditional control panels so e.g. you can’t adjust timers down to minutes without their app?
On a side note, I recommend not putting anything non-stick in the dishwasher. The combination of high-pressure, high-temperature jets of water, plus the surfactants in the detergent, all work together to break down that non-stick coating faster than you’d believe. You’ll seriously shorten the life—or at least the non-stick functionality—of any non-stick vessel you put in there. Hope that doesn’t sound judgy or anything—you do you—but the pan will stay non-stick longer if you wash it by hand with a non-stick-safe sponge.
Perhaps it’s just marketing talks but dishwasher-safe was literally one of their selling points (Phillips). I hope it holds up to their reputation. The pot is quite tricky to hand wash.
I did lose one or two cheap fry pans to dishwashers. But two or three years ago I got a decent Tefal. It’s ‘dishwasher-safe but hand wash if you can’. I only hand wash if it needs a good scrub though. Still going strong, and that’s good enough for me.
I like the Beko we got a few years ago. They compete well with Bosch.
We got a Beko double oven and microwave 6 months ago, and I’m quite impressed with the quality for the price point.
I have an LG, ten years not a single issue, works well, quiet
Our LG washer/dryer are about 15 years old now, still working incredibly well and look new. Definitely worth looking into
Surprised with how good the LG dishwasher and clothes washer have been. Will buy more of their appliances.
