Not that I’m a fan of any of America’s modern wars, but the way we pulled out of Afghanistan was just above and beyond a shit show. We spent over a decade running around with our dicks in our hands, and when its finally time to end the farce we decide that it has to be done virtually overnight.
I’m not one to normally “both sides” Democrats and Republicans, but imo bidens refusal to change the withdrawal does lend evidence to that argument, at least when it comes to certain foreign policy. We fucked over the country, but worse of all we fucked over the people who actually believed in whatever good will we were selling them on.
I volunteer with an organization that connects healthcare providers like myself with Afghan refugees. When they came over here they didn’t have access to social security numbers, programs like Medicaid or Medicare, or even Tricare. They were basically being brought with what they could carry and then dumped in section 8 housing in some of the roughest neighborhoods in the area.
My friend Mahmud was a translator who had been blown up in an IED attack while serving with our military. I met him because he was trying to find a job without papers, but had a hard time keeping up with his work because he had severe drop foot because he was missing the anterior of his calf muscle.
His wife, himself, and their 6 beautiful children were living in a rundown two bedroom apartment, and even though they had virtually nothing they were gracious host. They basically force fed me tea and what little food they were provided to live off of.
This article is just another example of the government wiping its hand of any responsibility when we decide to make war. Mahmud and his family are doing so much better now, but it’s only because we have a very active Islamic community that has taken the responsibility over caring for these families. Things like this make me embarrassed to be an American citizen.
If you ever have the chance to befriend an person from Afghanistan, I highly recommend it. Be warned, you will basically be kidnapped and forced to eat more food than you can handle, they are an aggressively loving people.
Biden just followed through with what was negotiated with the Taliban by the former Trump administration. If the US doesn’t follow through we lose credibility in all future negotiations with everyone.
What you’re complaining about is the fact that Trump et all made an agreement to pull out the troops within a certain (completely unreasonable) timeline. They had no idea WTF they were doing and obviously didn’t do due diligence or any sort of logistics planning for such a withdrawal before making the agreement.
If you think that sounds like bullshit let me ask you this: Does Trump ever do due diligence on anything? During his first administration nearly all his executive orders got thrown out because they were deemed arbitrary and capricious and during his second administration it looks like we’re getting the same exact situation.
They don’t know what they’re doing. They don’t know how to govern. If they didn’t have several powerful right wing media empires backing up every stupid decision they make Trump would never have been re-elected and he’d have long since been impeached in this administration.
Biden just followed through with what was negotiated with the Taliban by the former Trump administration. If the US doesn’t follow through we lose credibility in all future negotiations with everyone.
I am skeptical of the claim that we had any credibility to lose in respect to our dealings in Afghanistan. Plus, our negotiations weren’t with the Taliban, they weren’t in control of the country until we extracted. Our dealings were with the former Afghan government who weren’t in favour of the expedited process.
What you’re complaining about is the fact that Trump et all made an agreement to pull out the troops within a certain (completely unreasonable) timeline. They had no idea WTF they were doing and obviously didn’t do due diligence or any sort of logistics planning for such a withdrawal before making the agreement.
And knowing that the Biden administration still rammed through the pull out. It’s not like delaying the pull out of Afghanistan didn’t already have a precedent.
What do you think makes us look worse on the global stage…? A slight and understandable delay in moving our troops out, or completely abandoning our partners to a regime that everyone knew was going to hunt them and their families down in retribution?
You are pretending as if geopolitics is completely devoid of nuance.
you think that sounds like bullshit let me ask you this: Does Trump ever do due diligence on anything? During his first administration nearly all his executive orders got thrown out because they were deemed arbitrary and capricious and during his second administration it looks like we’re getting the same exact situation.
Again, I fail to see how that makes the Biden administration seem competent if they chose to proceed with something they knew was going to be a shit show.
My point was that it was a shit show, and that both administrations are in some way responsible for it.
You lost credibility with all your allies, who came for help when you called NATO, article 5, lost hundree s of soldiers during a couple of decade, and then were left alone in the chaos with no warning.
The both sides thing is hard to get around sometimes and people who believe in the more traditionally classic form of democracy like Biden make it that much harder. While republicans will get elected with a 0.5% margin and call it a mandate to change everything, people like Biden tend to approach the situation with more of an idea that the people voted for Trump and changing what Trump did would be going against what the people voted for, sometimes to a fault.
It’s also just stability and cooperation. Every other president came in with the idea that we were all working towards the same goal with different ideas on how to get there. They’ve taken the country in good faith from their predecessor and generally carried forth close to their vision on the things they were working on. No matter which side you’re on, the things that get attention are usually done in an intelligent way that makes sense. It’s generally better to shift the agenda by focusing on new things than to focus on the things that were fixed literally last year.
This president has the exact opposite behavior. He’s aggressively destroying anything Biden or Obama have built, down to straight up trashing assets of the USPS (including mail sorters).
Not that I’m a fan of any of America’s modern wars, but the way we pulled out of Afghanistan was just above and beyond a shit show. We spent over a decade running around with our dicks in our hands, and when its finally time to end the farce we decide that it has to be done virtually overnight.
I’m not one to normally “both sides” Democrats and Republicans, but imo bidens refusal to change the withdrawal does lend evidence to that argument, at least when it comes to certain foreign policy. We fucked over the country, but worse of all we fucked over the people who actually believed in whatever good will we were selling them on.
I volunteer with an organization that connects healthcare providers like myself with Afghan refugees. When they came over here they didn’t have access to social security numbers, programs like Medicaid or Medicare, or even Tricare. They were basically being brought with what they could carry and then dumped in section 8 housing in some of the roughest neighborhoods in the area.
My friend Mahmud was a translator who had been blown up in an IED attack while serving with our military. I met him because he was trying to find a job without papers, but had a hard time keeping up with his work because he had severe drop foot because he was missing the anterior of his calf muscle.
His wife, himself, and their 6 beautiful children were living in a rundown two bedroom apartment, and even though they had virtually nothing they were gracious host. They basically force fed me tea and what little food they were provided to live off of.
This article is just another example of the government wiping its hand of any responsibility when we decide to make war. Mahmud and his family are doing so much better now, but it’s only because we have a very active Islamic community that has taken the responsibility over caring for these families. Things like this make me embarrassed to be an American citizen.
If you ever have the chance to befriend an person from Afghanistan, I highly recommend it. Be warned, you will basically be kidnapped and forced to eat more food than you can handle, they are an aggressively loving people.
Biden just followed through with what was negotiated with the Taliban by the former Trump administration. If the US doesn’t follow through we lose credibility in all future negotiations with everyone.
What you’re complaining about is the fact that Trump et all made an agreement to pull out the troops within a certain (completely unreasonable) timeline. They had no idea WTF they were doing and obviously didn’t do due diligence or any sort of logistics planning for such a withdrawal before making the agreement.
If you think that sounds like bullshit let me ask you this: Does Trump ever do due diligence on anything? During his first administration nearly all his executive orders got thrown out because they were deemed arbitrary and capricious and during his second administration it looks like we’re getting the same exact situation.
They don’t know what they’re doing. They don’t know how to govern. If they didn’t have several powerful right wing media empires backing up every stupid decision they make Trump would never have been re-elected and he’d have long since been impeached in this administration.
I am skeptical of the claim that we had any credibility to lose in respect to our dealings in Afghanistan. Plus, our negotiations weren’t with the Taliban, they weren’t in control of the country until we extracted. Our dealings were with the former Afghan government who weren’t in favour of the expedited process.
And knowing that the Biden administration still rammed through the pull out. It’s not like delaying the pull out of Afghanistan didn’t already have a precedent.
What do you think makes us look worse on the global stage…? A slight and understandable delay in moving our troops out, or completely abandoning our partners to a regime that everyone knew was going to hunt them and their families down in retribution?
You are pretending as if geopolitics is completely devoid of nuance.
Again, I fail to see how that makes the Biden administration seem competent if they chose to proceed with something they knew was going to be a shit show.
My point was that it was a shit show, and that both administrations are in some way responsible for it.
You lost credibility with all your allies, who came for help when you called NATO, article 5, lost hundree s of soldiers during a couple of decade, and then were left alone in the chaos with no warning.
The both sides thing is hard to get around sometimes and people who believe in the more traditionally classic form of democracy like Biden make it that much harder. While republicans will get elected with a 0.5% margin and call it a mandate to change everything, people like Biden tend to approach the situation with more of an idea that the people voted for Trump and changing what Trump did would be going against what the people voted for, sometimes to a fault.
It’s also just stability and cooperation. Every other president came in with the idea that we were all working towards the same goal with different ideas on how to get there. They’ve taken the country in good faith from their predecessor and generally carried forth close to their vision on the things they were working on. No matter which side you’re on, the things that get attention are usually done in an intelligent way that makes sense. It’s generally better to shift the agenda by focusing on new things than to focus on the things that were fixed literally last year.
This president has the exact opposite behavior. He’s aggressively destroying anything Biden or Obama have built, down to straight up trashing assets of the USPS (including mail sorters).