I am not from America and lives in Europe. I am trying to understand what life and values the republicans in office right now wants for America. Is the 50’s America the kind of country they hope to go back to or is it somewhat of a new state we have never seen before?

I am genuinely wondering if they have some kind of “utopian” community in mind doing all these changes to the economy and values.

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    Very much the opposite. The US in the 1950s was a product of two things: 1) 20 consecutive years of Democratic presidents (Roosevelt from 1932 to 1945, then Truman til 1952), and 2) WW2. Eisenhower (Republican) was president from 1952 to 1960 but other than revving up the cold war, he didn’t change stuff so much, it seems to me, though it was before my time.

    Roosevelt in turn was sort of an antimatter version of Donald Trump (he clobbered the 1% for the benefit of the 99% instead of the other way around). He’d be considered extreme left by today’s standards. He was re-elected 3 times before dying in office on his way to his 5th, 6th, 7th etc terms. Republicans HATED him. After his death they passed a Constitutional amendment limiting presidents to 2 terms (Dems were ok with the amendment because they feared a similarly popular Republican staying in office forever, as might have happened with Ronald Reagan, and now Trump wants a 3rd term).

    Ever since the Eisenhower era but accelerating enormously under Reagan, Republicans have been trying to reverse Roosevelt policies that persisted through the rest of the 20th century and are partly still around despite those efforts.

    So I would say they goai is more like the pre-Roosevelt era, like the 1920s. The Great Depression started in 1928 and resulted in near-revolution and Roosevelt getting elected by an overwhelming margin in 1932. But before the depression was the so-called Gilded Age where super rich people could do pretty much whatever they wanted, and that if anything is the current Republican dream.

    Roosevelt went by his initials FDR, which was kind of an unusual thing but whatever, people went along with it even if they thought it was a little bit weird. Truman was Roosevelt’s last VP so he became president through FDR’s death rather than campaigning for it directly (he was re-elected in 1948). The next two Dem presidents, Kennedy and Johnson, used their initials (JFK and LBJ) the way FDR did, not because it was anything like a normal thing to do, but because they wanted to remind people of FDR, who was still very popular despite being long dead. There is a good book about post-WW2 US political history called “In The Shadow of FDR” by Walter Leuchtenberg that explains this. I see it’s now been expanded to go through 2010 (Obama) but I had to read it in history class some time before that. Anyway it’s good.

    There was once a joke about a family at its breakfast table in the 1930s. Dad asks the 6yo kid what he wants to be when he grows up. The kid answers “I want to be president of the US!”. The dad angrily responds “Why? What’s wrong with Roosevelt?”.

    Anyway, returning to an era shaped by Roosevelt is the absolute last thing the GOP wants or ever wanted.

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    Read the Project 2025 (it’s a 900+page brick and expensive, but the PDF is freely downloadable), you will get a better understanding what they may want to achieve.

    Saying that as an EU citizen, if this matters.

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      TL;DR: Project 2025 is a 920-page conservative blueprint created by the Heritage Foundation and 100+ organizations to radically reshape the federal government if Republicans win the presidency.

      What is Project 2025?

      Project 2025 is a comprehensive plan created by The Heritage Foundation along with over 100 conservative organizations to prepare for the next Republican presidential administration. The project aims to “assemble an army of aligned, vetted, trained, and prepared conservatives to go to work on Day One to deconstruct the Administrative State.” Wikipedia Heritage

      The Four Pillars

      Project 2025 is built on four main components:

      1. “Mandate for Leadership” - A 920-page policy blueprint covering every federal agency
      2. Personnel Database - A “Conservative LinkedIn” to vet and place loyalists in government positions
      3. Training Programs - To prepare conservatives for government roles
      4. Implementation Playbook - Step-by-step guide for the first 180 days The Heritage Foundation

      Key Policy Proposals

      Labor & Economy:

      • Eliminate overtime eligibility for millions of workers by lowering salary thresholds Democracy Forward AFSCME
      • Weaken child labor protections and allow youth to work in more dangerous jobs AFSCME
      • Require federal contractors to be 70-95% U.S. citizens Wikipedia
      • Massive cuts to corporate and personal income taxes AFSCME

      Social Programs:

      • Eliminate Head Start program serving 833,000+ children in poverty AFSCME
      • Impose work requirements on SNAP food assistance Democracy Forward
      • Phase out income-driven student loan repayment and Public Service Loan Forgiveness AFSCME

      Reproductive Rights:

      • Remove abortion drug Mifepristone from market or limit to first 7 weeks AFSCME
      • Enforce the Comstock Act to ban mailing abortion medications AFSCME
      • Replace reproductive healthcare task forces with “pro-life task forces” AFSCME

      Education:

      • Dismantle the Department of Education entirely AFSCME
      • Promote school choice and parental control over curricula

      Immigration:

      Government Structure:

      • Reinstate executive orders restricting federal employee unions Wikipedia
      • Consolidate statistical agencies like Census Bureau and Bureau of Labor Statistics Democracy Forward
      • Replace career civil servants with political loyalists

      Trump Connection

      Despite Trump’s public denials during the 2024 campaign, at least 140 people who worked on Project 2025 previously worked in Trump’s first administration. Heritage Foundation President Kevin Roberts described the organization’s role as “institutionalizing Trumpism.” CBS News Wikipedia After winning the 2024 election, Trump nominated several Project 2025 architects to key positions, and analysis shows nearly two-thirds of his early executive actions mirror Project 2025 proposals. PBS ACLU

      Timeline & Funding

      Project 2025 was established in 2022 and represents an eight-figure investment from conservative organizations. Wikipedia The Heritage Foundation planned to have 20,000 vetted personnel in its database by 2024. Wikipedia

      Bottom Line

      Critics argue Project 2025 represents an unprecedented effort to rapidly implement far-right policies that could affect millions of Americans - from cutting overtime pay for 4.3 million workers to reducing food assistance for 40 million people. Democracy Forward Supporters see it as restoring conservative principles and rolling back decades of liberal policies, with some looking to reverse precedents from the 1960s Great Society, 1930s New Deal, and even 1880s civil service reforms. PBS

      The plan’s comprehensive nature and rapid early implementation during Trump’s second term has made it one of the most significant policy frameworks in recent political history.

      Citations:

      More sources:

      Generated by claude.

      Also check out BBC’s article. https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c977njnvq2do

      My concern as a citizen is the unfettered power of the president and loss of government institutions that were created to help and protect citizens. Our immigration process has been ducked for a long time but the anti immigration sentiment that is being stoked will have far reaching consequences that will impact families and our local economies from labor and tourism.

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        Imho, people should really read it and not just ask AI. Even more so US citizens.

        Our immigration process has been ducked for a long time but the anti immigration sentiment that is being stoked will have far reaching consequences that will impact families and our local economies from labor and tourism.

        It will impact far more than that, I’m afraid.

        Once again, saying that as an EU-citizen witnessing the USA in the process of doing an almost perfect u-turn regarding its democratic-ideals (reading the Project 2025, one would get a much cleared idea why, beside the ‘conservative’ usual rhetoric), while our very own European and, in my case, French anti-immigration rhetoric are gaining a lot more traction… not all of them without any reason (as there are issues we should all be able to discuss freely and safely, no matter what we may think).

        And that is not even the worst or most worrying thing that is happening. The worst being, as you rightfully pointed out already, the deconstruction of all institutions and at the same time the rapid erosion of the few ideals upon which said institutions were built. The same ideals and institutions that were supposed to prevent any grab of power by anyone, be they ‘us’ or ‘them’.

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    They don’t care what happens to America as long as they can keep their power and wealth. A financial crisis is only bad for the poor people. For the rich it’s black friday. But how do you keep the poor under control while they can bare afford to survive? Welp you find a punching bag! So easy, something isn’t going well? But hey that queer person over there exists. Ohhh you can’t afford food? Look at that “immigrant” existing over there! Some tragedy happened over there? How awefull, but look at that person of colour over there standing so menacingly. As long as they can redirect the ill feelings of the loud ones they are fine.

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    More like 1850s laws where they could own people they deemed lesser, with a 1950s Leave it to Beaver Coat of paint slapped on top… Where women couldn’t get divorced without specific cause or have their own bank accounts, and everyone was pretending to be Christian due to the red scare

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      Did you know that in North Carolina, you need to be physically separated from your spouse for a full year before you can get divorced?

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        Ok? Even that archaic law is still world’s better than “he’s an asshole and there’s no love left, but since he hasn’t beaten me yet I can’t EVER get a divorce” like it used to be before no fault divorce was legal. And marital rape was just…allowed.

        So not sure what point you’re trying to make here.

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          I was agreeing with you and providing an example of a stupid archaic law about marriage.

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    Other people have more detailed and factual answers, but a good heuristic is “there must be outgroups for the law to bind but not protect, and in groups for the law to protect but not bind”. That’s what they want. They want to do what they want while women and queers and non-whites are subjugated. They want to say something inappropriate and touch their women coworkers without consent, and know if she raises her voice she’ll be fired.

    They are scum.

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      And the benefit of using the harassment of women against you in the future if you step out of line.

      It’s *consequences for thee and not for me" at the finest.

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    They’re the Technocracy movement, started in the 1930s and stewing as a behind the scenes backer of conservative movements, such as the heritage foundation

    Wikipedia link. If you read through that, you’ll find a lot of the seemingly random shit they say, like taking the Panama canal, Greenland, and Canada, it’s all related. This is the end goal

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      I do not think that they are pure technocrats. I think they do want to make an American empire, which has a spiritual and religious component to it.

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        What’s a pure technocrat? Technocracy wants to control all aspects of life, they want the tech oligarchs in charge, they want to be generally isolationist and carve up the world into blocs

        That’s how these people act. That’s where they focus, that’s what they hint and feel out responses for. This is the roadmap they’re using

        Spirituality? Religion? Patriotism? These things are a veneer to fascists. They don’t believe in any of that, hell they generally don’t even believe in Technocracy… This is a means to an end

        They’re Fascists. They don’t believe in anything but power and using it against their enemies

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    I gave up on trying to understand because its all just racist, sexist, xenophobic bullshit with no substance of thought behind it. It’s all the loudest, dumbest people taking control of the government while ultra-wealthy, straight-up evil oligarchs try to steer the idiots to their benefit. I stopped trying to convince MAGA-folks of anything because they are incapable of listening and thinking for themselves, and instead I’m working on my pistol aim and developing a mutual aide community.

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    I think they want to remove Atheism and all associated things with it from society. Trump calls himself christian, and his followers (voter base) are evangelical Christians.

    Evangelical Christians …

    • believe once Israel builds a temple the judgement day comes
    • all people who do not believe in Jesus is the personified God (or something like that) will go to eternal hell
    • believe in free market capitalism and hate all kinds of communism and state control in economy (even science)

    And these evangelical gospels align well with Trump.

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      • believe once Israel builds a temple the judgement day comes

      Not true, that’s zionism.

      • believe in free market capitalism and hate all kinds of communism and state control in economy (even science)

      Also not true.

      It’s an overlap. Those two things have nothing to do with Evangelical Christianity.

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    No. They absolutely do not want to go back to the 50s. If anything they’re trying to go back to the Gilded Age. They don’t want any part of the 50s.

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    They’re fascists. Literally.

    They want to oppress in order to gain total control. Because that’s what fascists do.

    So no, the 50s don’t really fit the bill for what they’re being clear they want. In the 50s the middle class was strong because we taxed the everloving fuck out of the wealthy. That’s not what they’re going for here.

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    It is silly. You do not go back to the America of the 50’s without the rest of the world being in the 50’s.

    See Europe and most of the world other than America destroying itself in the second world war, and the Bretton Woods agreement.

    Boomers were able to buy a house on one income because they took a load of the world’s income because of how America exploited the world post WW2.

    This does not happen now.

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    I don’t think the America of the 50s is what they think it is.

    The ideal though is being able to afford a house, a car and a family all on one wage.