• Kusimulkku@lemm.ee
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    1 year ago

    Considering Hamas is the organization governing Gaza right now, the two are often intertwined in these discussions

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        Under any solution (one or two state), Hamas will be the ones in power and representing the Palestinian block. Doesn’t matter if they do a good job of it or not.

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            They are the de facto (and kind of de jure…) government of Gaza. Hell, they run the Health Ministry that provides a lot of the updates.

            If this somehow ends with anything short of further subjugation and/or eradication, they will be “heroes”. And they aren’t going to lessen their hold on the Palestinian people.

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              They were also very unpopular before Oct 7 and I doubt they’ve gotten any more popular since then.

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                Popularity doesn’t really matter when they were, and are, the power in charge in Gaza.

                And “popularity” will go through the roof if, somehow, they are the ones that get the Israeli Government to stop being genocidal dicks and actually make concessions… by raping and murdering Israeli, German, and UK citizens?

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      It seems to me that Hamas “governs” Palestine the same way groups like the Mafia or Yakuza “govern” the people they extort.

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          Almost 20 years ago, when the majority of Palestinians alive today were either too young to vote or hadn’t even been born. How long after an election do you assume elected leaders have any real mandate?

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            My point was that regardless of their ability to do it, they were at one time the elected officials of the geographic location known as Gaza. They’re obviously not a real government in policy and action, but they’re the only thing that exists to even bear the term or concept of governance in the area.

            There is no other group to be considered as the government, no matter how awful Hamas is at being a government of any variety.

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              At one time, yes, but I don’t think we should be holding the Palestinians today to that. That would be like the Dubya era. If he had kept office until now, he would certainly not represent the opinion of Americans.

              Hamas is embedded like a parasite, but there’s better ways to point this out.

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          Like over a decade ago but they havent held elections since. I’ve seen countering articles saying Hamas has overwhelming support by the people, vs actually Hamas murders anyone who goes against them. So who knows. Fog of war and all that.

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            actually Hamas murders anyone who goes against them

            Well that would result in them having overwhelming support, among the survivors that is.