Um, yay? 🤢
Ew. Do not want.
I won’t buy a single game from them anyway. My ass still hurts after they fucked me last time
I don’t and wouldn’t play the kind of games that use it, but nice. I don’t know what running this on proton means, kernel level is also not nice.
I don’t believe there is a viable path for kernel-level anti-cheat on Linux (thank god). What most developers have done is enable normal anti-cheats on Linux, even if they use kernel-level ones on Windows. This is the path they seem to be going down.
Ever since CrowdStrike, I’m a bit amazed Microsoft hasn’t taken a hard stance on the gaping security hole that is kernel-level anti-cheat. It’s bonkers such is expected or even allowed just to play a game.
I’m not that surprised. It’s hard to make a harmful practice stop when it’s backed by so much money.
Microsoft made some statements about working to close that hole, but as I know nothing has actually come of it. Likely just PR.
I don’t want EA games on Linux. They can stay on Windows for all that I care.
I’m looking forward to it. Not because I will buy more EA games, but because it will move one of the few barriers left for even wider Linux adoption.
I have EA added to ignore list, and i want block list to completely remove it
Do you mean you want the ability to block any post that contains “EA” in the title? I use Voyager for Lemmy, it lets you define a list of blocked keywords.
I want to disable EA in Steam store page. Do not see them again ever, even if they’ll start to pay for using their games. Now that “ignore” works not good - ignored Ubisoft still on top of the page because of deal.
I take it you also want users to stay on Windows.
Normal people don’t care which OS others use.
I think most linux users do, depending on what you mean by caring: more adoption would be better for software support and consumers in general.
But what think is actually weird is to hope that people cannot play a game on linux. Nobody will be forced to play EA games.
Lol, LMAO even.
It’s so sweet of them to think that I don’t play their games because I play on linux and not because I want EA software in my computer as much as I want to drink a shot of arsenic.
Yes. I’m super pleased that EA appears to be doing the right thing, here.
Absent everything thing else EA does and stands for, I would applaud this move by buying something from them sometime.
That said, I will continue to abstain from EA games for another few decades. I like the “sense of accomplishment” it gives me.
What’s a good alternative to their sports games, like EA FC 25 which I’ve been playing a lot recently?
Literally the exact same game every year, just play the older one.
It’s the only version of that game I have, so the question remains whether there’s any alternative that isn’t by EA at all.
Sensible Soccer.
Old FIFAs and PESs are playable by emulating consoles. Some of them have mods for modern players.
This is why monopolies on teams and player likenesses for games is a bad thing.
Look, I don’t enjoy EA, they’ve killed several of my franchises, but what we shouldn’t do is demonize them for attempting to migrate to Linux. If a huge gaming company is taking Linux seriously it’s something we should celebrate. It means we’re making an impact
They aren’t being demonized for ‘taking Linux seriously.’ They are being demonized for the horns, forked tongue, spade-tipped tail, ichorous blood, and subservience to satan that are everything they have done before now. When the guy who moved in at No.1 and raped their daughter, then moved in at No.3 and raped their daughter, and then did it again at No.5 is showing up at your house at No.7, it might be called ‘great news’ that someone is finally interested in finally renting out that room you’ve had available for the last several years, but if you let them in, they’re just going to rape your daughter. It’s what they do.
I don’t think that people are demonizing them for attempting to migrate to Linux.
I’m pretty sure (because of my own reaction to this news, as well as the other comments) that it’s to do with people’s dislike of kernel-level anti-cheat and EA’s attempt to bring that to Linux.
Which also doesn’t make sense to me, we already have a few anti-cheats on Linux
Yes, I’m sure we do, but while things like Battleye and Easy Anti-cheat, and so on do work on Linux to an extent, but they don’t really have access to the Linux kernel.
Absolutely!
And the focus on ARM caught me off-guard too, I wonder if they’re looking out for future handhelds being ARM or what.Absolutely. Valve took Linux seriously and it’s helped Linux gaming immensely. But you can argue a few things - Valve are private and can still do what they want without an obligation to shareholders. Linux gives them better control of the software on their own devices, so they can tailor the experience exactly how they want. Investing in proton made it so people are willing to buy and use these devices, as the game library becomes nearly identical to windows.
A company like EA, a monolith at this point and historically one of the most profit driven, greedy, arguably scummy companies in gaming, if they’re investing in Linux support that means they see dollars and other companies will follow suit. They’re specifically looking at their anti cheat software according to this picture which would bring in their competitive shooters, the type of game that is largely missing on Linux.
If their anti cheat supports Linux, others like Easy anti cheat may push to support Linux, and developers like facepunch have even less of a leg to stand on when it comes to ignoring Linux. Unless EA does something like “You must be using our new EA Linux distro for our anti cheat to work” I can’t see this being a bad thing.
The problem is, this may actually NOT about anti-cheat. Just like, age verification is justified by “child protection”, anti-cheat may be a gateway to gradually take away the control over the kernel.
As some other people said, if they want effective anti-cheat, why not make it server-side? Maybe I worry too much, but the history tells us these companies likely not act in good faith.
Exactly! This is exactly what we want, more big players on linux.
Of course the kernel level anti-cheat is another thing that needs to be addressed, but a big company acknowledgig the importance of linux is a huge victory to me.
Speak for yourself. I’d rather shit companies no matter how big or small not be a part of the Linux ecosystem. Do I want development absolutely but not at the sacrifice of core values. EA is a shit company. Full Stop. They have nothing good to provide.
But you can still choose to not interact with their software. What’s the problem?
The kernel is the brains of the any Linux OS. It has access to every aspect of your system. Which is why they (EA) wants access. I would like to think you wouldn’t put a device in your brain to have some 3rd party to monitor your entire body for bad actors.
Having this level of access to your system would allow them to see all the processes and files, scan them and create a fingerprint that’s linked to your account. With the levels of violations that all governments are conducting in our lives it would be a small feat for EA to divulge this fingerprint for not only their own profits, directed ads and marketing, but anyone who would ask including government entities.
That is only one level. One other aspect is performance hits. Adding this kernel level monitoring will also take clock cycles away from your real needs. Slowing down and interrupting the functions of your system potentially breaking things. This along with adding attack vectors for other nefarious actors to penetrate your system and take full control.
You are correct I do have a choice not to use their poorly implemented code. And I definitely will never use it. The final point I will add is if this were to happen it becomes a slippery slope for other companies to add their own kennel level “security” code. All you have to do is look at any other system. Next thing you know the last light of OS freedom will be extinguished.
Not to forget that EA is iirc getting bought by the Saudis so government entities would already be involved from the beginning
I’m willing to celebrate… if it’s a net positive in the end. Linux gamers being able to play big titles, or game with Windows-using friends is good. Having to run DRM/adware/rootkit “anti-cheat”, subscriptions and dark patterns is very bad.
My outlook on the modern games industry is very low overall and I don’t see how to fix it. If I could do anything I’d instead promote and invest into “open source” games (sofeware freedom respecting games).
That would all depend on both the Linux kernel accepting that to the upstream (which, let’s remember crowdstrike), and each distro not removing it. I sincerely doubt that is what this role is. This role is much more likely how to make anti cheat work in linux somehow without kernel access.
This is certainly driven by upcoming Valve hardware. I don’t think any of the smaller devices out in the wild really sell enough units to make them go this far.
Probably. But also just wider Linux adoption. Over 8% of English-speaking Steam users are on Linux now. That number is already at a point where it makes sense to cater to them. Who doesn’t want 8% more sales? Numbers much smaller than that drive quarterly decisions.
(The large disparity between English speaking and not is the Chinese market. Linux has near 0% adoption there. The dip in the last month, for example, corresponds to a single-month doubling of the number of Chinese users in the Steam stats; which also suggests major measurement errors coming out of China.)
This is specifically about ARM64 if you read the posting. The only other ARM hardware out there that runs Proton are these random Chinese brands that make emulation focused handhelds. That’s not a segment of the user base that EA would care about.
Now, Valve is turning the entire ARM ecosystem on its end by building out an entire suite of tools to make an emulation layer that makes running Proton on ARM almost entirely possible for the full range of games that already run on Steam, which is huge. That means any ARM device can now run Steam, Proton, AND FEX without much in the way of a barrier. This brings Steam on mobile potentially into olac, MacOS back to the table…etc.
It’s not about Linux users and SteamOS singularly, but the coming expansion into the ARM space.much larger than 4-8%.
Valve is turning the entire ARM ecosystem on its end by building out an entire suite of tools to make an emulation layer
A bit pedantic but I think it’s worth noting that valve is only funding things that already exist and integrating them into their ecosystem rather than creating them from scratch
Yes, pedantic. Wine existed before Proton, and Valve made it more suitable for use in its own ecosystem with funding and developer time, but also still open and usable for the community writ large.
They’ve also been funding FEX since it’s inception, and likewise commiting development resources for the same purpose, to further their product reach on a wider array of devices.
They aren’t simply gobbling up these fledgling FOSS projects for use in their products as you seem to suggest, they’ve had a long term plan to make milestones and goals that have gotten them to where they are now. That’s the point.
They aren’t gatekeeping anything. They simply have the resources to give these projects they are interested in a boost.
And this comment is why I feel I have to say it. Credit where credit is due, but being this bristly over someone pointing out that the contributions of the open source community aren’t the work of valve and valve alone is ridiculous
Not being bristly at all. Your comments seem to assume: 1) People don’t already know (check the thread you’re in) 2) Valve is doing something wrong, and/or 3) They are somehow at fault for something, like stolen valor or not giving credit where credit is due.
You suggested your comment was pedantic, and I confirmed, and it’s because of your tone. I’m not rage replying to your comments, just correcting the context because I feel you have the wrong take.
I assume the interest in ARM is specifically for the new Steam VR console?
That would make sense. I’ve ignored the entirety of VR for decades, but a Valve VR console running Linux has me considering buying one.
A genuinely large “Meta can go fuck themselves” segment of the potential future VR market might be opening up, soon.
Nope. Anything ARM. Meaning tablets can run x86 games with Proton+FEX if that be the case. Also getting the MacOS segment back into the fold. ARM laptops, hell, maybe even Apple portable devices, who knows.
It’s not just about their own hardware, but my thinking is that the Deck 2 will be ARM for power consumption reasons, so this all makes a lot of sense. The Frame isn’t really just a VR devices, it’s also going to be SteamOS, so that means a virtual desktop and all the usual Linux apps and such. I’m sure it will sell on its own as a productivity device as much as a gaming device. No reason it can’t fill the market gap that awful Apple headset screwed up so poorly.
but my thinking is that the Deck 2 will be ARM for power consumption reasons,
A smaller more portable SteamDeck would be amazing.bSomething with all day battery life that can play Balatro would be… very bad for me, but really fun.
Someone pointed out that valve takes surveys in different markets and then extrapolates them. So if they surveyed only china in this last round then that explains the stats entirely.
Fuck. Even if I never play EA games they might still share this anti cheat with other companies. X_x aaaaaghhh
But to be fair, if a company partners with EA their game is probably shit.
Well, even a broken clock is right twice a day.
Still not planning on buying any of their games, but if this move encourages more overall Linux developments… Well, we can’t let perfect be the enemy of good.Guys guys guys- The evil corporation is getting on board. Things really ARE that bad.
Wasn’t windows on arm designed specificly to break this capability? Linux won’t ever let it in but for windows I’m pretty sure this was one of this ARM things.
Apex Legends. The game was working on Linux before they they took it away. On https://areweanticheatyet.com/ I see it uses Easy Anti Cheat and Hyperion. No word on Javelin. So looks like games using Hyperion wouldn’t still be supported? The list of Javelin games on https://www.pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/EA_Javelin shows that I am not much interested into those games. It’s for the most part Battlefield and sports games. Well maybe I could try out Battlefield 6 someday, that is probably best game from this list.
Windows on ARM? That’s a thing they waste money on?
Will they finally make their games work on Linux…
Will they finally get their spyware to work on Linux …
Will we finally get a sense of pride and accomplishment?
