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    1. so you concede that it was a temporal kingdom, for over a thousand years. the pope still holds all the kingly titles, he just lost the armies to enforce them

    2. this completely confirms my argument- this is exactly the kind of conflation of spiritual authority and temporal authority which the catholic church has used to exterminate its enemies. it just lacks the power to do it these days.

    3. ‘not currently an empire’: you are arguing against a point i didn’t make

    i accept your concession

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      Not until they lost their armies, but until they realized “Hey, unchecked power is intoxicating and war only leads to more war” and spit it out

      God does not bless any conflict

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        Not until they lost their armies, but until they realized “Hey, unchecked power is intoxicating and war only leads to more war” and spit it out

        this is intense historical revisionism, they did not graciously hand over power, the risorgimento forcibly stripped it.

        pius ix called himself a prisoner of the vatican when italian troops took rome in 1870 and the papacy refused to recognize the italian state for sixty years.

        the Lateran Treaty with Mussolini was their reconciliation with losing

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      when I realize some people will never change their minds when they have become stiff necked but if I sigh and stop, their soul is my burden.