Ok but tipping hurts the customer by taking more of their money than initially agreed upon for a service so the establishment can make extra money by not paying the employees. Why are we more worried about hurting the employee than the customer? Also I would argue that not tipping would encourage the employee to seek the wages from where they should come from, the employer.
Wow. I actually try not to eat at restaurants personally, because I’m a great cook. But when I do get dragged to one by a friend or something like that I do still tip. I’m not heartless. I was just trying to have a discussion.
Because in the US, that’s already the expectation? A reasonable person should plan the tip ahead of time if they were raised in the US. But also, an employee doesn’t have that power. An employee at a Chili’s, Applebee’s, Texas Roadhouse can’t phone the CEO for a salary change, because it’s usually out of a manager’s control. And even if an employee could do that, the CEO would just say, “get fucked?” and fire them to hire someone else for minimal pay. For a local restaurant, sure, but not a big chain in which the employee can’t effectively speak to the employer. When it comes to thise circumstances, employees are below the customers who are below the employer in terms of how much power they hold. Plus, there are issues that aren’t even that employee’s fault: if food is cooked incorrectly that a server ordered correctly, then refusing to tip has absolutely no influence on the cook. And restaurants will still blame the server for that mistake, even when they did everything correctly.
If all or even a large portion of employees quit because they’re no longer making enough money, then Chili’s and Applebee’s would be effectively forced to pay higher wages to attract the required workforce to operate, right?
If it were feasible, sure. But when there’s no social safety net, everyone would need a Plan B just in case. And I mean everyone, since I’m under the impression they would rather close a single location than pay reasonably.
That is true. I guess my views are probably skewed a bit because I live in Canada, and as far as I know we have stronger social safety nets here and also in all provinces except Quebec all servers are required to be paid the minimum wage in addition to any tips they make.
Ok but tipping hurts the customer by taking more of their money than initially agreed upon for a service so the establishment can make extra money by not paying the employees. Why are we more worried about hurting the employee than the customer? Also I would argue that not tipping would encourage the employee to seek the wages from where they should come from, the employer.
You idiots can go to any other restaurant that doesn’t tip. Which is most of them. You entitled morons.
Wow. I actually try not to eat at restaurants personally, because I’m a great cook. But when I do get dragged to one by a friend or something like that I do still tip. I’m not heartless. I was just trying to have a discussion.
Because in the US, that’s already the expectation? A reasonable person should plan the tip ahead of time if they were raised in the US. But also, an employee doesn’t have that power. An employee at a Chili’s, Applebee’s, Texas Roadhouse can’t phone the CEO for a salary change, because it’s usually out of a manager’s control. And even if an employee could do that, the CEO would just say, “get fucked?” and fire them to hire someone else for minimal pay. For a local restaurant, sure, but not a big chain in which the employee can’t effectively speak to the employer. When it comes to thise circumstances, employees are below the customers who are below the employer in terms of how much power they hold. Plus, there are issues that aren’t even that employee’s fault: if food is cooked incorrectly that a server ordered correctly, then refusing to tip has absolutely no influence on the cook. And restaurants will still blame the server for that mistake, even when they did everything correctly.
If all or even a large portion of employees quit because they’re no longer making enough money, then Chili’s and Applebee’s would be effectively forced to pay higher wages to attract the required workforce to operate, right?
If it were feasible, sure. But when there’s no social safety net, everyone would need a Plan B just in case. And I mean everyone, since I’m under the impression they would rather close a single location than pay reasonably.
That is true. I guess my views are probably skewed a bit because I live in Canada, and as far as I know we have stronger social safety nets here and also in all provinces except Quebec all servers are required to be paid the minimum wage in addition to any tips they make.