• Flying Squid@lemmy.world
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        Yeah, sorry, four years of Trump vs. four years of Biden should really have put to rest the idea that both parties are the same, even if they sometimes support the same bad policies.

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          four years of Trump vs. four years of Biden should really have put to rest the idea that both parties are the same

          Biden isn’t on Twitter, so we can ignore the wars and the concentration camps and the Cop Cities and the deteriorating climate.

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            He picks different supreme court justices though and has some different head of agencies, though. That alone makes a big difference.

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              Dems had the opportunity to stop up the ACB nomination in 2020 the same way Repubs blocked Garland in 2016. In fact, it would have been easier. Feinstein only had to hold up the vote for three months compared to McConnell’s twelve. Dems waved her through, the same way Joe Biden’s Judiciary Committee waved through Clarence Thomas back in 1991, months before Bill Clinton took office.

              Its not enough to say which Presidents are picking the nominees. The senatorial strategies are totally different. Republicans hold Dem nominees hostage while Dems rubber stamp whatever assholes the GOP cough up.

              Had Dem Senators punted on Thomas and ACB when they had the opportunity, the SCOTUS of today would look totally different.

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            Since I didn’t get a response from the other person, perhaps you could explain why Judge Jackson is the sort of SCOTUS justice Trump would have picked.

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              That’s pretty strawman of you. Assuming he’s operating in bad faith; how does appointing Judge Jackson stop the ratchet effect? That’s what we’re talking about here. I happen to think he’s operating in good faith, just to his donors instead of his constituency. But the effect is the same, holding the status quo that the GOP sets. Why hasn’t Mayorkas purged ICE in an attempt to reform it? Where are the wide ranging investigations of the human rights abuses that were so well reported during the Trump administration? Biden’s goal was never to bring things back in line, it was to keep the lights on and keep the money flowing to the donors. Some of whom run private detention centers.

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                No, we were talking about how the two parties are exactly the same. If they are exactly the same, Trump would have the same reason for picking justice Jackson as Biden. So what is that reason?

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                  I understand that’s your straw man. But that’s not what the other people in this thread are saying.

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                What does any of that have to do with Judge Jackson? Just explain why Judge Jackson is the sort of SCOTUS justice Trump would have picked since both parties are the same.

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                  What does any of that have to do with Judge Jackson?

                  We would have more Judge Jacksons on the court if the Dem Senate had played hardball with Republican Presidents. And taking Thomas out of circulation in 1991 would have changed the Bush v Gore decision in 2000, which would have meant President Al Gore seating even more Judge Jacksons in his subsequent terms.

                  No Thomas means no Bush Jr. No Bush Jr means no gerrymandering greenlit by Ashcroft’s DOJ. Which would have promised more state level liberal courts in places like Texas and Wisconsin (ie, more state court Judge Jacksons). Which would have curbed the rise of white nationalism following Obama’s election in 2008. No GOP capture of Florida through mass disenfranchisement of black voters. No extended legacy of GOP rule in Georgia, for the same reasons. No War on Immigration in Arizona and Colorado and Texas, forcing those states farther and farther to the right. All of which would have precluded a Trump presidency in 2016.

                  No Trump means we don’t have to worry about who he’d pick for SCOTUS.

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      Crazy thought, but maybe it’s not the President in charge. Maybe it’s the record high heat and the deplorable conditions of confinement.

      Maybe we shouldn’t be holding these people in concentration camps to begin with.

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        ICE is controlled by the department of Homeland Security, which is under the executive branch. As we remember from civics class, the president is directly responsible for the executive branch. The president is responsible for the atrocities at the border.

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        Maybe the president should have tackled the bad conditions in ICE detainment like he promised? He promised a more fair and humane system after Trump’s abuses of detainees and instead he’s treated Trump’s conditions as a record to beat.

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          Maybe the president should have tackled the bad conditions in ICE detainment like he promised?

          Sounds like pie-in-the-sky leftist agitprop to me.

          He promised a more fair and humane system after Trump’s abuses of detainees and instead he’s treated Trump’s conditions as a record to beat.

          Everyone knows that a Democratic President doesn’t have the same authority as a Republican President.