Eh, they can’t be honest about wanting you to use the app to be able to collect your data better.
My favorite non sense is with Reddit, if I browse an NSFW page in incognito on mobile, a popup appears : browse anonymously download the app. Right
old.reddit to browse NSFW pages.
To be fair, they didn’t say who it was better for.
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I just went thru this w/ Progressive. They basically demanded that I install the app to make a claim. I have a DOD phone and I can’t install anything on it. Whats a shit show…
McDonald’s: Are you using our app today?
Me: Why the fuck would I do that???
Because they charge you 50% more if you don’t use their app.
Which means the extra data they can grab via their mobile app is worth at least that much to them, if not more.
Nah. I think it’s more about the tiered pricing structure and getting out of you what you’re willing to pay.
Ah, dynamic pricing
The app doesn’t capture anything that you don’t specifically agree to when it pops up and asks if you want to give it access to it. I’ve been using the app for months and I simply said “no” when it asked the “request to track” question. I can literally see that it has zero access to any of my data on my phone.
It’s not actually that simple. Maybe you click no and don’t give the app access to your contact, but your friends who have you on their contact list might click yes, and now they have your contact info despite you clicking no. I imagine they’ll have similar tricks for gathering other type of data as well.
They’ve got your contact info because you gave it to them on sign up. We’re talking about things like your contact list and all their info and your connections to them.
Worth it.
Its infuriating, just give my my guilty pleasure of a QP’er w/ cheese and an apple pie. I’m not DL the app for the 1 per month I allow myself.
Why wouldn’t you if you’re already buying mcdonalds? All using the app gets you is some cheap deals and reward points when you do buy something.
An app alone doesn’t just give them all the data on your phone. Android and iOS have built in request systems for apps requesting access to your data, and you literally have to approve them individually. I use the maccas app and it has zero access to any of my data.
Can’t collect as much data on web platform due to all those pesky ad blockers…
But as a mobile app:
Which is exactly why Reddit went after alternate clients and their mobile website is so crippled. They need to sell that sweet sweet user metadata to advertisers
I would get slapped with a restraining order for stalking if I’d do this IRL. But companies successfully convinced themselves that targetted ads are effective, completely ignoring the reality that everybody is just fed up by them. Browsing the web without an adblocker is atrocious and it feels like they are trying to bully you into buying their nonsense.
I think that all started in the 90s when the focus on brand recognition was insane and actually resonated with society for reasons unbeknownst to me. The shit that’s happening now is just the resulting endgame. We 90s kids really fucked up, I’m sorry.
If this kind of data collection in-app happened in the 90s and 00s it would be classified as a malware🤣
This is very misleading. I’ve got the app on iOS. It basically has no permission to access any of that data, and I’m pretty sure it has never even requested it - which it has to do if it wants it.
You can literally go in to settings on your iPhone and click those categories and see which apps have requested the info and which you’ve given permission to. LinkedIn hasn’t even requested 95% of those - the only one it has access to on my phone is my photos because I uploaded one once. I can revoke that access at will.
I’m pretty sure when putting the app on the App Store they’ve just gone “tick all the boxes saying we may request access to this” without even looking at it.
Then block it? Idk. My android phone doesn’t give any permission until the app explicitly asks it to perform a task, and I can then just say no. The app works just fine.
Yep, same with iOS. This is blatant fear mongering. On iOS the app has never even requested access to my contacts, as shown here:
Psst, that’s web 2.0. Web 3.0 is stuff like Mastodon, Lemmy, IPFS, cryptocurrencies (unfortunately), Kbin…
this is web 3.0? looks more like web 1.0. not that i’m complaining, i like it
Yeah, that’s the idea. Web 3.0, in some places, looks a lot like Web 1.0, which is amazing!
Megathreads of links are so web 1.0. You’d be crying in joy if you found curated five hundred links in a geocities page. Masterlist of five thousand? swoon
Users scattered all over different instances? You sign visitor logs everywhere with your email and sites and basic description so people can find you. Especially if you’re on personal servers, and usually you host other people you invite to share the space.
Communities? Groups? No, no, webrings.
So does that mean Web 4.0 will look better in the app too?
There’s no web 4.0 - who knows what it will be like?
r/darknetplan. decentralised ad-hoc network, basically. only…what do you run on an ad-hoc network? all the services require connection to internet.
meshnet+fediverse is not something that have been combined yet.
In the end it is just decentralization to give more power to the users
Can’t serve as many ads on the website because of ad blockers tho.
Apps also provide the developer with way more data collection as websites only get a sliver of access that apps get. Mostly, LI wants your contacts.
There’s a reason we have an ongoing class action suit stretching back decades against LI and their invasive practices.
They have always been one of the worst social media companies probably scummier than Fb.
What would you expect out of “suck off capitalist daddies to hopefully get a job” the social media company?
Can’t track your location and other things you do, too
I deleted the Twitter app recently and replaced it on my phone with a launcher bookmark to the website. Loss of functionality was minimal. I lose notifications but on the flipside my browser strips out all the ads and I have 250MB less bloat on my phone. So I’d say I’m on the winning side. Probably true to for Facebook, Instagram, LinkedIn, Reddit and any other app which is just a thin wrapper over some HTML.
ad blockers work even better in apps thou?
since due to play store limitations all ads are coming from a single, easily blockable domainNot everyone has a PiHole (but everyone should!)
“cloud” solutions - nextdns (i actually quite like it)
on-device (no root; mild battery drain) - AdAway, Blokada
on-device (rooted, no battery drain) - AdAway (edits hosts file)
“We can datamine you better on the app”
Right, they didn’t say who it’s better for. It’s better for them on the app.
Read my mind. Although on iOS data mining can be restricted, AFAIK, it cannot be completely eliminated.
They actually can’t unless you specifically choose to let them.
On iOS the only thing from the entire list on the app store that LinkedIn has access to is my photos, and I’m pretty sure it was just the single photo that I uploaded (as iOS gives you the option to do a per photo permission). Contacts? Nope, can’t access them - and the app hasn’t even requested to access them. Location? Nope. Search History? Nope.
It’s actually easier to stop their datamining on mobile than it is on the web.
They absolutely can, though. So many apps are secretly sending anything and everything you do in the app to 3rd parties without your knowledge. Use a firewall app that has logging and you’ll see what I mean. NetGuard is a good one for Android. (Don’t know of any for iOS cause I don’t own any Apple products, but I’m sure they’re out there.) Most major apps are selling you off to Facebook, for example. (Spotify does it.)
At least with with a browser, you can increase your privacy settings to block trackers, and use addons like UBlock Origin and NoScript. With an app they can do whatever they want with your data without you even knowing it.
So many apps are secretly sending anything and everything you do in the app to 3rd parties without your knowledge
This is no different to websites via browsers though, so it’s a moot point.
With an app they can do whatever they want with your data without you even knowing it.
No, they can’t, because they don’t have access to “your data”. All they can get is usage data, which they’re entitled to because you’re using their product.
The information available to a installed app is greater then that of a website in a browser. Full stop. You can argue till your blue in the face about what permissions you grant in iOS, but you are relying on iOS to not leak data (they do), and what they consider “tracking” - which may differ from what you consider tracking. Browsers provide much higher barriers to system information.
There is no reason a website shouldn’t work on a phone, many cell phones today are more powerful then laptops 5-10 years ago. A progressive web app (hi Voyager!) is a excellent way to minimize development time, and provide a consistent experience across platforms (desktop, android, iOS), and it doesn’t require yet another app.
The benefits of having a app on a device are LEGION! You get more telemetry, you get to push notifications, you get to push updates, you get access to logged in accounts on the device. You can correlate location data (by ip tracking if nothing else) even when the app isn’t in use. Depending on the operating system permissions, you can get lots of data and feed it into some analytics framework that is much greater then people realize.
TLDR: Apps should be optional, any site that uses dark patterns to push a application install is user-hostile and doesn’t have your best interest at heart. (See Reddit).
“The app can still get your contacts even if the OS never gives it permission to and clearly shows that it doesn’t have access to them. Trust me bro”
Yeaaaaaaah nah.
Your quoting me but I didn’t say that. Your argument style is disingenuous.
But happily you don’t have to believe anyone, you can test.
References that are illustrating here. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28819318
First link:
This is before the introduction of Apple’s new opt-in mechanism for tracking in 2021. Our dataset therefore reflects privacy in the app ecosystem shortly before this policy change.
Cool, so the data is completely irrelevant.
Trackers are not the same as having access to your personal data that is on your device. No amount of trackers on an iOS app can make an app have access to your contacts without you literally clicking allow access to your contacts when it requests it.
Trackers track what you’re doing, they don’t datamine your phone.
Usage data is still your data. Also I already addressed the tracking issue by bringing up browser extensions and security settings. You must have missed that part in my post.
Try Googling “how apps track you”. You’d be amazed by what information apps can obtain from you, even if they don’t have direct access to your files/location/call logs/etc.
Usage data is still your data.
Eh, debatable. It’s the companies data since you agreed to letting them know what you’re using their site for. If they don’t know what link you clicked, they can’t take you to that link. If you clicked the link, they record that data and it is their data.
Also I already addressed the tracking issue by bringing up browser extensions and security settings.
The same way I addressed it by bringing up OS tracking requests and security settings.
I know how apps track you. I don’t need to google anything. I’m a web dev by trade. I know that an app can’t obtain your contact information from your phone without requesting your contact data and without you approving that request.
LinkedIn. Where you can read endless and meaningless hubris from managers who used to abuse you.
I did see a former co-worker post a hilarious meme though.
“Nobody wants to work anymore.”
“Wrong. Nobody wants to work for YOU.”
They can harvest more personal data with an app, why would they improve the website.
More websites should take example from Stack Exchange. A while ago I was wondering where their app had gone, turns out they unpublished it so that people only use the mobile site (which works pretty well).
If I want to visit 10 different sites, I shouldn’t have to install 10 different apps (of which many are just webview wrappers anyway).
i hate linkedin so much
I joined it early on not thinking much of it, accepting invites left, right and centre. And then all the recruitment agents began spamming the shit out of me because I was a link so it cost them nothing. If a job said Java and my resume said Java they’d spam me even if I’m on another continent.
So I unlinked the lot of them and my life is relatively peaceful. If agents want to talk to me they need to send me an InMail which costs a point in their subscription but I still ignore them just to waste their points. I hate the service and I hate agents. If I was ever interested in a job spec that some agent sent me then I’d figure out the company from the clues in the spec and approach them directly. Because fuck agents and fuck LinkedIn.
For God’s sake? God isn’t on LinkedIn.
Shitty CV. What has he done recently?
So, uh, I see you haven’t worked in 2,000 years…
His CV is so bad… Caused so many fatal casualties in the least 6000 years…
So many OSHA violations.
If God was on Linkedin, his profile would probably be much more humble than a large percentage of the user base
It’s a lie anyway, LinkedIn isn’t better on the app. Nothing can make it better, it’s just shit.
On the bright side, it’s shit on a smaller screen.
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Before any of the usual suspects comes in to defend LinkedIn for “trying to make money”, have you tried publishing a job offering on LinkedIn? If you haven’t, shut up, they’re already making cash. If you have, my brother in Christ, you think they need MORE???
Making profit is not enough anymore. If you aren’t making the maximum profit year after year, you are a dying company.
LinkedIn have been doing this shit for years. I’d load their site through Firefox for Android and see this stuff constantly. I raised an issue several years ago suggesting that they should at least use a cookie to suppress the nagging and a tech sympathized with me but clearly nothing was done.
Because the bottom line is they want people using the app. Not because the experience is better for me, but because it’s better for them - they can scrape contacts, track activity, push notifications and generally just do abusive shit that a website can’t. Everyone who checks into this site once a week or less often should just delete the BS app and load the site from time to time. The whole service is just a meat market anyway so there is no reason to make things even worse.
“we can track you better on the app”
